Unconsolable howling at night

Hey, as someone who's recently been through that myself, this is my take on this.

It's only been 2 days so far for you and Ziva. She's probably terrified and unsettled by the change of environment.

Can't answer the question about spare room. Taking the crate to the bedroom wasn't an option for us either, so we took turns to sleep next to the crate for the first few nights (back then it all sounded and felt torturous, and there was no light at the end of the tunnel, but right now, two months later, I barely remember that 'sacrifice'). It was downstairs, away from our bedroom, but close to the garden (for obvious reasons).

We also took Peanut out every couple of hours at night. He cried the first two nights, but then our presence itself made him feel safe and he stopped. He's been sleeping in the crate ever since. It does take time, effort and - sadly - a bit of stress, but it'll start changing soon.

It's worth it.

My method is to bring down an exercise mat, and sleep next to the kennel. That's probably not what you wanted to hear, but.......
I cover the front of the kennel and every time the puppy starts to get anxiety, I quietly talk to it through the towel, and gently tap the sides and front of the kennel
I am there to get them to the bathroom immediately and to condition them that they are not alone and are safe. It usually takes a few days to a week to settle them out. This is an excellent opportunity to bond with your new puppy, and do the potty training. Finn, my 3 year old, took about a week when we got him as an 8 week old, and was for all purposes potty trained within a week.
You will have your puppy for the next 12-14 years. A little upfront investment will pay huge dividends down the line.
8 weeks old is too young for the "tough it out and suck it up method" in my opinion.

Hi Mike, this is certainly reassuring news! just need to get to that point.

Out of curiosity, when you were in same room was she with you, or in her crate/pen with you just talking?

Gunnr, at what age did you start the touching it out process?

We are aware its short term pain for long term gain etc, but boy, the labradors I've had in the past were a lot easier than this in this regard. But am aware its super early days yet.

derwos, trust me i have searched here, google, facebook, etc. just lapping up as much info as I can.

Thanks all for your input. All advice is most welcome.

DrogoNevets

Each puppy will be different, but I like to give them a week or so to adjust. After that, I'll let them cry it out a little bit longer, usually when I am there and not trying to sleep though as part of the crate training.
Puppies need 14-16 hours of sleep a day, so I try and coordinate that time frame with nigh time sleeping. Not always easy, but I try.
I know the little demons seem like they can go all day long, but they do need to be "put down for naps". As long as I know they have gone to the bathroom, I put them in the crate, and just monitor them. If they cry, I'm already awake, and just let them settle out. It's never been more than two weeks though.
"I'm not a "tough it out" person to be honest. I have had to get a little firm with them, but I always attend them in time while being monitored. I want my puppy to be conditioned to accepting me as the beginning and end of everything. It makes it much easier for all of the lessons to come if they want to be with me. At 10-12 months old, I want my puppy to be hunting and retrieving birds, under control, with gunfire. It starts with those crate sessions and the trust developed at 8-10 weeks old.
According to animal behavior psychologists, and dog trainers, you will teach a puppy more between weeks 8-16, than the rest of it's life. The core foundation is laid in the first two months. I take a lot of time off work during this developmental period.

Edit to add based on Mike D's response below.
Our dogs through the years sleep in the living room downstairs. Our bedroom is upstairs. Our dogs have never slept in the same room, or bed, with us. They're also not allowed on furniture. (I'm a meanie. .