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Hi there!

[EDIT] I realized that Fresco also has an English version of their homepage and linked the products I'm curious about down below

I'm so excited to welcome my new V puppy in 2 weeks 馃槂

I want to do everything right - especially regarding the food.

I know that this is such a huge topic with thousands of opinions and professionals in this field.

I'd like to achieve a good mix between practicality for me and healthiness for my dog. Money doesn't matter in this regard.

Regarding practicality I can't solely rely on "regular" Barf / raw feeding - It just won't work for me, especially when you think of motorhome trips, vacation and space in the freezer 馃檪

I read a lot about Acana or Orijen - but it's just kibble, and I don't have the best feelings with that fact.

There is a german supplier called "Fresco". They have different kinds of Barf. This is no advertisement, I'm just really curious what to feed my pup. I'm open for alternatives or any opinion on that food.

Dry Barf (like kibble) - English link

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  • Complete food (no other supplements needed in theory)
  • feed just like kibble
  • 35% fresh beef muscle, 10% fresh beef hearts, 9% fresh green beef rumen, 8% fresh breastbone, 6% fresh beef kidney, 3% freeze-dried beef liver, 10% carrots, 4% apples, 4% pears, 3% beetroot, 2% blueberries, 1% sunflower oil, 0.8% cod liver oil, 0.5% wheat germ oil, 0.4% salmon oil, 0.4% rose hips, 0.4% seaweed lime, 0.1% seaweed
  • Feeding recommendation per kg body weight:
    Young dog up to 8 months approx. 2 - 3 % (100-150g per day for a 5kg puppy)
    Dog up to 15 kg approx. 1 - 1,5 %
    Dog between 15 - 30kg approx. 1 %.
    Dog from 30 kg approx. 0.8 - 1 %
  • 535 kcal/100g
  • Analytical components
    Proteins 44%
    Crude fat 25%
    Humidity 8%
    Crude ash 5%
    Raw fibre 2%
  • Daily analytical components based on 5kg puppy weight
    Proteins 44-66g
    Crude fat 25-38g
    Humidity 8-12g
    Crude ash 5-7,5g
    Raw fibre 2-3g
  • Total of 535-802kcal per day for a 5kg puppy
Frozen, ready-to-use Barf - English link
  • Complete food (no other supplements needed in theory)
  • Defrost for a few hours and serve
  • 35% fresh beef muscle, 10% fresh beef hearts, 9% fresh green beef rumen, 8% fresh breastbone, 6% fresh beef kidney, 3% freeze-dried beef liver, 10% carrots, 4% apples, 4% pears, 3% beetroot, 2% blueberries, 1% sunflower oil, 0.8% cod liver oil, 0.5% wheat germ oil, 0.4% salmon oil, 0.4% rose hips, 0.4% seaweed lime, 0.1% seaweed (exactly the same as above)
  • Feeding recommendation per kg body weight:
    Young dog up to 8 months approx. 4 - 5 % (200-250g per day for a 5kg puppy)
    Dog up to 15 kg approx. 2 - 3 %
    Dog between 15 - 30kg approx. 2 - 3 %
    Dog from 30kg approx. 2 - 2,5 %
  • 180 kcal/100g
  • Analytical components
    Proteins 13%
    Crude fat 8%
    Humidity 69%
    Crude ash 1,5%
    Crude fibre 0,5%
  • Daily analytical components based on 5kg puppy weight
    Proteins 26-32.5g
    Crude fat 16-20g
    Humidity 138-172.5g
    Crude ash 6-7,5g
    Raw fibre 1-1.25g
  • Total of 360-450kcal per day for a 5kg puppy
Canned wet Barf - English link
  • Complete food (no other supplements needed in theory)
  • Wet food with whole pieces of meat, vegetables and fruits
  • 29% fresh beef muscle meat, 10% fresh beef heart, 10% fresh beef lung, 6% fresh beef kidney, 5% fresh beef rumen, 4% fresh beef liver, 4% carrots, 2% beetroot 2% apples, 2% pears, 1% blueberries, 0.4% rose hip peel, 0.3% cod liver oil, 0.3% gluten-free wheat germ oil, 0.3% wheat germ oil, 0.3% salmon oil, 0.3% sunflower oil, algae lime, seaweed meal
  • Feeding recommendation per kg body weight:
    Young dog up to 8 months approx. 4 - 5 % (200-250g per day for a 5kg puppy)
    Dog up to 15 kg approx. 2 - 3 %
    Dog between 15 - 30kg approx. 2 - 2,5 %
    Dog from 30kg approx. 2 - 2,5 %
  • 170 kcal/100g
  • Analytical components
    Proteins 9,5%
    Crude fat 7%
    Humidity 77%
    Crude ash 2.5%
    Crude fibre 0,6%
  • Daily analytical components based on 5kg puppy weight
    Proteins 19-23.7g
    Crude fat 14-17.5g
    Humidity 154-192.5g
    Crude ash 5-6.25g
    Raw fibre 1.2-1.5g
  • Total of 340-425kcal per day for a 5kg puppy
I tend to a mix of Canned and Frozen Barf. What catches the eye is the much higher total calories of the Dry Barf - it's almost twice as much! And waaaaay more total protein. All three of them are considered to be complete food, but one is significantly more rich / substantial as the other two. Feeding them like the manufacturer suggests would result in a totally different amount of calories and nutrition.

What is a healthy amount of calories (esp. protein / fat) for puppies and adult Vs? Is there any spreadsheet or data table available?

What do you think about this food and if you'd feed it your V, how would you mix it?

They also have lamb, sheep, chicken, pork, duck, horse - any general preference towards one specific animal?

Thank you very much!

(And sorry for the amount of details 馃槅)
 

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I don't feed raw, so I'm no help on the subject.
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Hi there!

[EDIT] I realized that Fresco also has an English version of their homepage and linked the products I'm curious about down below

I'm so excited to welcome my new V puppy in 2 weeks 馃槂

I want to do everything right - especially regarding the food.

I know that this is such a huge topic with thousands of opinions and professionals in this field.

I'd like to achieve a good mix between practicality for me and healthiness for my dog. Money doesn't matter in this regard.

Regarding practicality I can't solely rely on "regular" Barf / raw feeding - It just won't work for me, especially when you think of motorhome trips, vacation and space in the freezer 馃檪

I read a lot about Acana or Orijen - but it's just kibble, and I don't have the best feelings with that fact.

There is a german supplier called "Fresco". They have different kinds of Barf. This is no advertisement, I'm just really curious what to feed my pup. I'm open for alternatives or any opinion on that food.

Dry Barf (like kibble) - English link

View attachment 102470
  • Complete food (no other supplements needed in theory)
  • feed just like kibble
  • 35% fresh beef muscle, 10% fresh beef hearts, 9% fresh green beef rumen, 8% fresh breastbone, 6% fresh beef kidney, 3% freeze-dried beef liver, 10% carrots, 4% apples, 4% pears, 3% beetroot, 2% blueberries, 1% sunflower oil, 0.8% cod liver oil, 0.5% wheat germ oil, 0.4% salmon oil, 0.4% rose hips, 0.4% seaweed lime, 0.1% seaweed
  • Feeding recommendation per kg body weight:
    Young dog up to 8 months approx. 2 - 3 % (100-150g per day for a 5kg puppy)
    Dog up to 15 kg approx. 1 - 1,5 %
    Dog between 15 - 30kg approx. 1 %.
    Dog from 30 kg approx. 0.8 - 1 %
  • 535 kcal/100g
  • Analytical components
    Proteins 44%
    Crude fat 25%
    Humidity 8%
    Crude ash 5%
    Raw fibre 2%
  • Daily analytical components based on 5kg puppy weight
    Proteins 44-66g
    Crude fat 25-38g
    Humidity 8-12g
    Crude ash 5-7,5g
    Raw fibre 2-3g
  • Total of 535-802kcal per day for a 5kg puppy
Frozen, ready-to-use Barf - English link
  • Complete food (no other supplements needed in theory)
  • Defrost for a few hours and serve
  • 35% fresh beef muscle, 10% fresh beef hearts, 9% fresh green beef rumen, 8% fresh breastbone, 6% fresh beef kidney, 3% freeze-dried beef liver, 10% carrots, 4% apples, 4% pears, 3% beetroot, 2% blueberries, 1% sunflower oil, 0.8% cod liver oil, 0.5% wheat germ oil, 0.4% salmon oil, 0.4% rose hips, 0.4% seaweed lime, 0.1% seaweed (exactly the same as above)
  • Feeding recommendation per kg body weight:
    Young dog up to 8 months approx. 4 - 5 % (200-250g per day for a 5kg puppy)
    Dog up to 15 kg approx. 2 - 3 %
    Dog between 15 - 30kg approx. 2 - 3 %
    Dog from 30kg approx. 2 - 2,5 %
  • 180 kcal/100g
  • Analytical components
    Proteins 13%
    Crude fat 8%
    Humidity 69%
    Crude ash 1,5%
    Crude fibre 0,5%
  • Daily analytical components based on 5kg puppy weight
    Proteins 26-32.5g
    Crude fat 16-20g
    Humidity 138-172.5g
    Crude ash 6-7,5g
    Raw fibre 1-1.25g
  • Total of 360-450kcal per day for a 5kg puppy
Canned wet Barf - English link
  • Complete food (no other supplements needed in theory)
  • Wet food with whole pieces of meat, vegetables and fruits
  • 29% fresh beef muscle meat, 10% fresh beef heart, 10% fresh beef lung, 6% fresh beef kidney, 5% fresh beef rumen, 4% fresh beef liver, 4% carrots, 2% beetroot 2% apples, 2% pears, 1% blueberries, 0.4% rose hip peel, 0.3% cod liver oil, 0.3% gluten-free wheat germ oil, 0.3% wheat germ oil, 0.3% salmon oil, 0.3% sunflower oil, algae lime, seaweed meal
  • Feeding recommendation per kg body weight:
    Young dog up to 8 months approx. 4 - 5 % (200-250g per day for a 5kg puppy)
    Dog up to 15 kg approx. 2 - 3 %
    Dog between 15 - 30kg approx. 2 - 2,5 %
    Dog from 30kg approx. 2 - 2,5 %
  • 170 kcal/100g
  • Analytical components
    Proteins 9,5%
    Crude fat 7%
    Humidity 77%
    Crude ash 2.5%
    Crude fibre 0,6%
  • Daily analytical components based on 5kg puppy weight
    Proteins 19-23.7g
    Crude fat 14-17.5g
    Humidity 154-192.5g
    Crude ash 5-6.25g
    Raw fibre 1.2-1.5g
  • Total of 340-425kcal per day for a 5kg puppy
I tend to a mix of Canned and Frozen Barf. What catches the eye is the much higher total calories of the Dry Barf - it's almost twice as much! And waaaaay more total protein. All three of them are considered to be complete food, but one is significantly more rich / substantial as the other two. Feeding them like the manufacturer suggests would result in a totally different amount of calories and nutrition.

What is a healthy amount of calories (esp. protein / fat) for puppies and adult Vs? Is there any spreadsheet or data table available?

What do you think about this food and if you'd feed it your V, how would you mix it?

They also have lamb, sheep, chicken, pork, duck, horse - any general preference towards one specific animal?

Thank you very much!

(And sorry for the amount of details 馃槅)
Stefan
A little late to respond, but here is my take.
If it is a quality BARF diet, from a reputable manufacturer, and the products in it are also fresh, and certified for human consumption, than it's worth a look. It's hit or miss in the US with respect to quality and availability, so I have not done it.
For a new puppy, I would tread very lightly in going to a BARF diet, and I would do it over a longer period of time. As with all " babies", theie gut and GI tract is developing. They don't have the "full load" of bacteria just yet, so BARF diet might be a little bit too complex.
As for the Kibble, Orijen is a top feed in the US. It's tested and proven, it's also processed in a manner that there will be very little actual bacteria in the food, thus making it "safer" for a puppy, and hopefully easier on the stomach.
What you might do is start on the Orijen and slowly add in the BARF to the point that at the year mark, you are completely on BARF.
Once again, just my opinion
 
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