[[email protected] jenkinson]

Just to put things straight i never said we were collecting pups in three and a half weeks i said we were picking them (choosing our pups!!) These are not our first dogs and as for two from the same litter we have two sets of friends who have done this and they would not do it any other way. We dont bring our pups home till second week in August making them nine weeks old. Its each to there own ideas and views. This is not something as a family we have rushed into we have put a great deal of thought into having two pups and we cant wait!!

 

[Angie NG]

I think some of us read it wrong [email protected] jenkinson, I am sure you have thought it through as a family and I don't feel you need to justify yourself to anyone. I have not been on here very long but so far I have realised everyone is very welcoming and helpful and at the same time everyone has different views on certain subjects. I am sure your puppy's will have a great time together and look forward to hearing more about them.

 

[Darcy1311]

I certainly don't think its bad to have 2 pups from one litter...In fact, the bloke I bought my vizsla from only had 3 pups in her litter I know that one of them was sold but I worry about the plight of the other one, as I later found out that my pups mother who I saw at the breeders house had been sold on twice and that she had 7 litters in her 7 year life with a total of 40 {forty} pups...
In the breed code of practice this is far to many..I contacted the original breeders who sold Darcy's mum as a pup, Chataway Cimbora Von Chulak,is Darcy's mums kennel name....and the breeder is very concerned for her well being and we are trying to find her as she has now been sold on again...
I guess all I am saying is that there was one pup left and if it never sold, the chances are it could have been culled, as appears to be the case of these 4 vizsla pups found dead last month in Lincolnshire...

 

[Angie NG]

Goodness that is a lot of pups Darcy1311,I did a bit of research of my own and if I have my facts right you can breed as many pups as you want but the pups won't be kennel club registered unless the pups are born a few years between each birth. Hope that made sense. Surely all the births on the poor mother your talking about is to many for her to manage, not that I no much about it. Just saying. Hope the breeder finds her and she is ok!!

 

[Gingernutter]

It's against the code of ethics that are in place by the Hungarian Vizsla society and Club. The full code of ethics for breeding can be found on the relevant websites. Also pointed out to me by one of the committee members from the HVC was that some breeders who are on the UK KC Accredited Breeders Scheme are not following all the rules fully. The HVC and HVS will offer advice of recommended breeders.

UK KENNEL CLUB CODE OF ETHICS
taken from Hungarian Vizsla Society club members rules:

Members will not allow their bitches:
To be mated before their 2nd birthday or to whelp after their 8th birthday.
To whelp more than once in any 12 months.
To have more than 3 litters in her lifetime.

Members breeding from their bitches:
Will hip score their bitches obtaining and assessing the results PRIOR to mating. (Scores that are high by breed standards or disproportionate in score from hip to hip should be discounted from breeding.)
Will ensure that their chosen stud dog meets the Breed Standard and this Code of Best Practice.

 

[Darcy1311]

I made an error in the number of pups that Darcy's mother has had....I have just checked and its 6 litters and not seven...still far to many.

 

[mattgbox]

Hi Darcy, I adopted Chataway Cimbora Von Chulak, Holly, almost two years ago now. She is now 9 years old, and whilst she does not seem as though she has been socialised very well she is a gorgeous loving dog. Apart fom the odd middle aged ache and pains, and a dose of cancer she is fit and well. We had her spayed after she came into season with us, and she had an operation to remove lumps from her mammary glands which tuned out to be cancerous. She now walks with us for up to three hours a day, enjoys the beach and is hardly ever left on her own. She is most definitely my Velcro dog and I hope that we will enjoy our life together for many more years!!!

 

[hotmischief]

mattgbox welcome to the forum.

What a lovely story and I am so glad that Holly has a loving forever home to spend her remaining year. I am sure Darcy will be over the moon to hear that Holly has been found and is happy.

 

[Darcy1311]

Hi Darcy, I adopted Chataway Cimbora Von Chulak, Holly, almost two years ago now. She is now 9 years old, and whilst she does not seem as though she has been socialised very well she is a gorgeous loving dog. Apart fom the odd middle aged ache and pains, and a dose of cancer she is fit and well. We had her spayed after she came into season with us, and she had an operation to remove lumps from her mammary glands which tuned out to be cancerous. She now walks with us for up to three hours a day, enjoys the beach and is hardly ever left on her own. She is most definitely my Velcro dog and I hope that we will enjoy our life together for many more years!!!

I have just heard the news....and it has made my day....no it's made my week, this is brilliant news I always wondered where Darcy's mum had ended up...when I first went to see Darcy, the 3 pups were in a separate room and her mum was in a cage, I thought this was quite cruel, the pups were only about 4 weeks old and the so called owner was weening them off mums milk, he said that I could pick up Darcy at 6 weeks old, as I did and in my eyes for Darcy's own safety...Darcy is such a tiny little sweet madam and such a little diamond I love her to death. I am so glad you found her mum...I contacted Holly's original owner last year and they were desperate to know how she, was this is just such good news. only last year they found several Vizlsa drowned and some others tied to a tree so panic set in over this....it's so good to hear this news, perhaps you could post some photos on this brill forum....in fact if it wasn't for this forum we wouldn't be sat here enjoying this news.I hope to hear from you again some time......take care ..Rob and Darcy..

 

[mattgbox]

Hi Darcy, Here are some pics of Holly. It is upsetting that Holly had such an experience, I am assuming that you got Darcy from a place near Boston/Skegness as I have heard some disparaging information on them although I have not got any direct experience of them. We think that we basically adopted Holly almost immediately after they had sold her last puppy. She is most definitely in retirement now, and as long as we don't play fetch with her for too long then she is as right as rain. we love her to bits, she chose us. When we went to visit her she came straight up to me with her paw, and wanted a cuddle. we subsequently picked her up a month later, due to holidays, and have not looked back since. We were a bit naive in terms of buying her from the Pets4Homes website, and not going through Vizsla rescue or somewhere like that but it has worked out for all of us in the end!

 

[mswhipple]

What a sweet girl... Thank you for posting her pics!!

 

[Darcy1311]

Hi Darcy, Here are some pics of Holly. It is upsetting that Holly had such an experience, I am assuming that you got Darcy from a place near Boston/Skegness as I have heard some disparaging information on them although I have not got any direct experience of them. We think that we basically adopted Holly almost immediately after they had sold her last puppy. She is most definitely in retirement now, and as long as we don't play fetch with her for too long then she is as right as rain. we love her to bits, she chose us. When we went to visit her she came straight up to me with her paw, and wanted a cuddle. we subsequently picked her up a month later, due to holidays, and have not looked back since. We were a bit naive in terms of buying her from the Pets4Homes website, and not going through Vizsla rescue or somewhere like that but it has worked out for all of us in the end!

Hi again, Holly looks lovely and to say the poor girl has produced 35 puppies she is doing really well, I bought Darcy from a place called Old Leake in lincolnshire, but strangly enough they were regisreted to a Mr Bond of Skegness, when I viewed the pups there were also about 6 dog du bordouh if thats how you spell it and a little boston terrier in a cage which he says belonged to his daughter..I have tons opf photos of Darcy but this was taken a few weeks age, she is the spitting image of Holly....I wish I could learn how to send more than one photograph at a time...its so good to see Holly save and in a loving home I take my hat off to you for saving her life and giving her a life she should have had years ago...

 

[mattgbox]

You are right she is the spitting image of Holly, I always wonder whether she would recognise her puppies, but that is probably just my romantic, world smelling of roses, side of me showing up! <lol> We bought Holly from Mr Bond, and he had the dogs you mentioned which were then just about to give birth. Unfortunately he was a hobby breeder and I suspect was only doing it for the money, which is why they had gone for French Pugs or similar as the puppies can be sold for big money. Her previous owners don't have a great reputation either and makes it surprising the her original owners sold her to the breeders that they did. Holly is so small for a Vizsla, 19 inches in height, and very timid that it makes me think that she should never have been bred from let alone to produce 6 litters, we have been informed that she did actually have 40 puppies in those 6 litters. Whenever we go on a Viz Whizz she is always the smallest and virtually all V puppies from about 6 months old are bigger than she is. Other than being shy and timid around other dogs and people, she is the perfect V.

 

[Darcy1311]

You are right she is the spitting image of Holly, I always wonder whether she would recognise her puppies, but that is probably just my romantic, world smelling of roses, side of me showing up! <lol> We bought Holly from Mr Bond, and he had the dogs you mentioned which were then just about to give birth. Unfortunately he was a hobby breeder and I suspect was only doing it for the money, which is why they had gone for French Pugs or similar as the puppies can be sold for big money. Her previous owners don't have a great reputation either and makes it surprising the her original owners sold her to the breeders that they did. Holly is so small for a Vizsla, 19 inches in height, and very timid that it makes me think that she should never have been bred from let alone to produce 6 litters, we have been informed that she did actually have 40 puppies in those 6 litters. Whenever we go on a Viz Whizz she is always the smallest and virtually all V puppies from about 6 months old are bigger than she is. Other than being shy and timid around other dogs and people, she is the perfect V.

Darcy is about 21 inches at the shoulder and weighs in at a whopping 16 kilos...LOL...her grandmother was 22 inches at the shoulder.....about size, my vet once told me that there are actually 2 sizes of Vizsla Darcy being the smaller size...a friend of mine has a Vizsla bitch and she is huge, and not very dainty, with a face that only a mother would love...this is one of Darcy in a modeling pose...

 

[MaisieBan]

Hi there, I am way late in response to this chat and will be totally surprised if any of you even receive it.

We also have one of Holly's puppies, her name is Maisie and she will be 12 years old this coming March. We also bought her from Mr Bond in Skegness, in July 2009. In retrospect the conditions of Holly and her 2 remaining pups (one being Maisie and a little boy pup) we're all wrong, but we were naive and didn't really know what to expect. Both remaining pups' tails were docked, as, allegedly, they had been damaged at birth.....

I remember seeing Holly for adoption on Pets4Homes, must've been around the time when you lovingly adopted her. I'm so glad she had a happy ending to her story!

I'm assuming that Holly has now passed? I found this forum by pure chance, looking into Maisie's breeding, and it makes me feel so sad! Maisie has been the most amazing dog, she still looks like a pup, and people always ask if she's only young! I regret the situation of her breeding, but not getting her, as who knows what would've happened to her, and I don't want to think about what happened to her brother......



She's gentle, loving and just the perfect balance of an outdoor, yet snuggly, dog! She's slowing down a bit now, but she's good as gold!



If anyone sees this, I'd love to know about Darcy, and the ripe old age to which Holly lived.



Thanks,

Michelle

 

[MaisieBan]

This is Maisie a few weeks ago, she's just like Holly 🙂

 

[Jakub]

Sleep now, while you can. A new pup is more difficult than a new human baby as far as i can remember (my kids are older now).

Totally agree with that! Me and my wife repeat that all the time! 2 kids were easier!

 

[Destiny M Jones]

Hello everyone, I am new to the site so any advice on vs would be great. We get our puppy in 4 weeks, I have been reading your messages and must admit as excited as I am, slightly nervous and realise after reading your messages I must be very consistent and have routine

Hi Angie..!!!

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