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Can you tell me what are the most important blood lines of Vizsla, which lines combines both working and beauty? For what I've read there are some division in working and show lines -like virtually every working breed-, however IMO there are less marked differences since I have seen a lot of working champions with show titles and viceversa, but can you tell me in your opinion what are the best and more complete breeders or bloodlines? and the differences between american and Hungarian lines? I have heard and seen that Hungarian V's are larger, less angled and the American I've seen have a higher implanted tail, straight group and more protrusive chest.

Here in Mexico are mainly European lines from Sugar, Vadaszfai, Katavizs, Sagi solymaz, Muela de Cortes and some american like Renaissance and Barben.

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Let Me that finds a V - that HUNTS !!!!!!!!!!!! past that POINT - they R sport dogs - giVe me a MUTT that HUNTS - I'm HAPPY !!!!!!!!!!
 

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http://www.bracoslaserrota.es/actualidad.html

I do really like this Spanish line but to find field lines go to field trials and talk to the owners and handlers and see the dogs yourself.

Even in the best line you will get great to average pups. Best if you learn how to evaluate the pups or get them evaluated for you before purchasing your chances of getting the right dog for you increase quite a lot.

There are good books on the subject. One I like is:

"Winning Ways: Training Your Pointing Breed Dog for Hunting and Competition"
by Jack J. Sharkey
 

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What's the best bloodline, crosses of bloodlines, and breeders depends so much on your expectations of the pup. If you name a couple, your bound to leave someone out, and have differences of opinion.

What I want in a vizlsa can be different than what the next person would consider the perfect vizsla. I personally look at dogs (bloodlines) that have a known history to replicate themselves. It does not mean every pup will be able to achieve the goals met by its parentage, but it does up your odds.

Knowing what you want/need in a dog is half the battle.
The other half is having the knowledge, or a mentor to help you match it with a pup.
 

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Yes picking the right puppy is difficult, fortunatly I have a breeder with knowledge and We have already chosen a puppy, 100% mexican of mexican parents, hungarian grandparents and all of them 100% falconers. ;)

The question of this topic was only to have a little more knowledge and varied opinions from people who have worked and/or shown V's about the different types or lines that exist.... Just for general culture ;D
 

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My limited knowledge really only includes wirehair lines, but I've heard good things about Hubertus, based in Australia. By necessity they've imported bloodlines from many countries, including a lot from the US which surprised me because they have a more European look to them.

If I ever do want a smooth V I honestly wouldn't know where to go, so I'll definitely be watching this thread. One thing I like to do is flip through the NAVHDA test results in their monthly magazine and see what HVs and HWVs names show up. :)
 

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I have been choosing the lines of my puppy for almost a year. Maybe I went a bit extreme because choosing a puppy is always a guessing game. :) Good puppies CAN grow into "nothing special" dogs and there is even a chance that the smallest of the litter grows into a big and nice dog.
Regarding beauty I would advise you to choose strictly by what you like. You are correct about the tails... "true" Hungarian vizslas never had tails pointing upwards like a beagle for example... but overseas you can find many "champion" dogs that have tails like that. Then there is pointy snouts, different colour etc... And obviously there are judges that accept (i guess even like) those attributes and then you have those who most definitely do not... So it varies much depending on where you are stated... :)
And about the hunting lines, all you gotta do really is just ask if the parents, grandparents were hunters. After that you have to do your own training too... But that is my opinion. I see vizsla more as a "pleaser of the master" than a true hunter. It will hunt whatever but only if you want it to :)
So basically what I am trying to say is - if you like the parents, how they work, how they look, go for it. But do not forget, a breeder himself is important too!
Good luck :)
 

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And about the hunting lines, all you gotta do really is just ask if the parents, grandparents were hunters. After that you have to do your own training too... But that is my opinion. I see vizsla more as a "pleaser of the master" than a true hunter. It will hunt whatever but only if you want it to :)
While its true that there is a wide range of prey drive in the breed, some are definitely true hunters, and its on their mind anytime they are outdoors. The prey drive can range from over the top, to barely there, depending on the bloodline, and the individual pup.

I myself do not just want to go by a owners word on if a pups parentage hunted. I would want to see that dog hunt, if it held no hunt titles.
I have purchased a pup from a titled dog, that was bred to a untitled dog. But I spent a weekend hunting over the dog. I watched its intensity in the field, gait, style on point, and its range. I also paid close attention on how it interacted with the other dogs, and new people.
 

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I myself do not just want to go by a owners word on if a pups parentage hunted. I would want to see that dog hunt, if it held no hunt titles.
I thought all vizslas that one wants to breed have to have hunting exams. :-\
But yes, I agree. By "asking about the parents/grandparents" I meant seeing their exams and results. They usually always advertise that anyway, not all have the possibility to go see the dogs so knowing what place/points they scored there is good.
 

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TexasRed said:
I myself do not just want to go by a owners word on if a pups parentage hunted. I would want to see that dog hunt, if it held no hunt titles.
I thought all vizslas that one wants to breed have to have hunting exams. :-\
But yes, I agree. By "asking about the parents/grandparents" I meant seeing their exams and results. They usually always advertise that anyway, not all have the possibility to go see the dogs so knowing what place/points they scored there is good.
I'm pretty sure that's the case in Hungary, although lately I've been known to get it wrong ;)
 

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it took a year 2 find PIKE - contact pointer clubs in your area (that's like 4 states) ask how many V's are in the club - how many V's run in there hunt tests & field trials - go 2 the events - odds R you will meet hobby breeders that never advertise - trainers & owners that you can only find @ these events - ask ?'s - no video will ever show what a V can do in the field till you watch it LIVE !!!!!! Titles cost a LOT of money !!!!!!!
 

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I'm pretty sure that's the case in Hungary, although lately I've been known to get it wrong ;)
Ah... that explains why I thought so :p Been mainly focused on Hungary...
 

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That's a good question, and by looking at the bottom of the webpage it looks like it was created by Sylvia Tucker. There is also a page to create a account, and one to submit a pedigree under the Info/Contact button.
I honestly have no idea how quickly its updated once a pedigree is submitted.
 

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A.S said:
TexasRed said:
I myself do not just want to go by a owners word on if a pups parentage hunted. I would want to see that dog hunt, if it held no hunt titles.
I thought all vizslas that one wants to breed have to have hunting exams. :-\
But yes, I agree. By "asking about the parents/grandparents" I meant seeing their exams and results. They usually always advertise that anyway, not all have the possibility to go see the dogs so knowing what place/points they scored there is good.
There are countries -like mine- that doesn't have official working tests for hunting breeds, only obedience, agility and IPO (Schutzhund). There are some hunting tests organized by hunting associations, not recognized by the national kennel club (FCM), so the only way to pick a V for hunting or other work is knowing the parents of the puppy and evaluating the puppy.
 

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TexasRed said:
This is link to a website if you like looking up bloodlines.
http://www.vizsladatabase.com/index.php
They also have a facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/groups/vizsladatabase/

NAVHDA also has a pedigree search, and you can see how the dog scored on the test.
http://www.navhda.us/Pedigree.aspx
who updates the database TR? Elvis's parents and lineage are on it, but Elvis isn't yet.
For what I've read in this database and know of other databases, the breeder register his litters in the website or one must register our own dog with lineage
 

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Yes - some breeders register the litter - some give you the paper work & leave it up to the new owner - if you want 2 compete in most comps - the pup must be registered !!!!!!!
 

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Remember there are two separate things one needs to do (if a breeder hasn't).

1) The V needs to be registered with a national registry (such as the AKC here in the USA).

2) The pedigree needs to be sent to the Vizsla Database so you can use that service most fully. The information can be added online.

I recently added by V to the database. I'd spent a lot of time looking through the pedigrees of sire and dam. I'm glad to have my V entered.

The database is a great resource. I'm grateful to those who have put in the time and effort to create it.

Bill
 
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