Re: Golden Meadows Kennel
I'm borrowing it next week to jet over for that canoeing tripR said:
Golden Meadows Kennels
Since this thread was created, redbirddog has visited Golden Meadows Kennels and had a look at the operation that they are running.
Please see the following posts on redbirddog's blog about Golden Meadows Kennels:
http://redbirddog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/golden-meadows-in-pictures.html
http://redbirddog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/golden-meadows-products-and-paperwork.html
Hopefully after reading these blog posts, and the posts in this thread, you can form your own opinion about the kennels.
Please see the following posts on redbirddog's blog about Golden Meadows Kennels:
http://redbirddog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/golden-meadows-in-pictures.html
http://redbirddog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/golden-meadows-products-and-paperwork.html
Hopefully after reading these blog posts, and the posts in this thread, you can form your own opinion about the kennels.
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I split this topic from the original advertisements one since it wasn't really on topic, and some people might still want to ask questions about the adverts. Feel free to continue using this thread though.
Re: Golden Meadows Kennel
RBD, if your visit is after the first part of October when I return from Summer Camp, I'd love to join you if that is acceptable to Mr. Hoke.
Mr. Hoke, it will be a physical impossiblity for me to not have contact with any other dogs prior to visiting you and your facility, however I will take appropriate measures, sanitize hands, fresh boots, etc.
Ken Kuivenhoven
Willowynd Ranch Vizslas & Training
Rod, you amaze me more everyday!redbirddog said:This thread makes me think of the classic movie "12 Angry Men." 11 juriors were "sure" the kid was guilty after the trial deliberations. Only Henry Fonda wasn't sure. Highly recommended movie to rent.
I know Ventura County as an almost "communist" county government. It is one of the craziest socialist county governments in the country.
HSUS and PETA are not above "blacklisting" a successful breeder using social media. Actually I'd expect them to use that tactic. Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" at work.
Mr. Hoke. I'll give you a fair shake. Look over my blog Redbirddog. You'll know I am no fan of commerical breeders but I also know that you would have a huge target on your back placed there by the animal rights nazis.
You might be full of BS or not. I shift BS for a living in my line of work.
Let me know if you'd like to extend that invite.
Rod aka RBD
http://redbirddog.blogspot.com
RBD, if your visit is after the first part of October when I return from Summer Camp, I'd love to join you if that is acceptable to Mr. Hoke.
Mr. Hoke, it will be a physical impossiblity for me to not have contact with any other dogs prior to visiting you and your facility, however I will take appropriate measures, sanitize hands, fresh boots, etc.
Ken Kuivenhoven
Willowynd Ranch Vizslas & Training
I just found this thread and it is super interesting to me.
1) the ads are google and I don't think we can control them. I don't see any of them because I put some kind of setting on my computer awhile back so it blocks them.
2) I recognized this site when I clicked into it. We are located in LA county and this was one of the places that I looked at online when we first started looking into getting a vizsla. We never visited, but I did correspond via email with them before I started building relationships with other breeders. If I'd found the thread a bit earlier, I could have remarked that I knew it was a real place instead of just an ad set up.
I hope that RBD and Ken from Willowynd do go check it and get back with their feedback. I feel a bit bad for the owner. Defensiveness never comes off as flattering, but sometimes it can be difficult not to respond that way when attacked.
GMK - It is obvious you are not familiar with these forums. Implying that RBD would bring disease into your dogs was hurtful and rude, especially when he was standing up for you and offering to give your place a fair chance. We, as a community, can be a bit pompous at time (I certainly can), but we care about the breed above anything else. Hobby breeders do genetic testing and put a lot of thought and money into preserving the breed. It think the term, backyard breeders better describes people whom will just breed two of their own dogs or their dog with a friend's.
1) the ads are google and I don't think we can control them. I don't see any of them because I put some kind of setting on my computer awhile back so it blocks them.
2) I recognized this site when I clicked into it. We are located in LA county and this was one of the places that I looked at online when we first started looking into getting a vizsla. We never visited, but I did correspond via email with them before I started building relationships with other breeders. If I'd found the thread a bit earlier, I could have remarked that I knew it was a real place instead of just an ad set up.
I hope that RBD and Ken from Willowynd do go check it and get back with their feedback. I feel a bit bad for the owner. Defensiveness never comes off as flattering, but sometimes it can be difficult not to respond that way when attacked.
GMK - It is obvious you are not familiar with these forums. Implying that RBD would bring disease into your dogs was hurtful and rude, especially when he was standing up for you and offering to give your place a fair chance. We, as a community, can be a bit pompous at time (I certainly can), but we care about the breed above anything else. Hobby breeders do genetic testing and put a lot of thought and money into preserving the breed. It think the term, backyard breeders better describes people whom will just breed two of their own dogs or their dog with a friend's.
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Anyone raising puppies needs to be vigilant on what is brought on their property. Parvo is a big killer of puppies and is spread easily through human contact.
With a few easy steps RBD and Ken could make sure they brought nothing to the kennels that would harm the dogs/puppies there.
Anyone raising puppies needs to be vigilant on what is brought on their property. Parvo is a big killer of puppies and is spread easily through human contact.
With a few easy steps RBD and Ken could make sure they brought nothing to the kennels that would harm the dogs/puppies there.
Good to know - thanks Texasred. I thought it was a jab. How quickly I forget how vulnerable they are as puppies.
Re: Golden Meadows Kennel
I think you'd have to worry about sanitizing your clothes/shoes/hands AFTER visiting his facility unless you want your own precious pups coming down with something.
Has either of you received an invitation to visit the esteemed "Golden Meadows" puppy factory? Looks like we have a baby puppy sick with Coccidia sold to a new, unsuspecting forum member. Things aren't looking good for Mr. Hoke.WillowyndRanch said:Rod, you amaze me more everyday!redbirddog said:Mr. Hoke. I'll give you a fair shake. Look over my blog Redbirddog. You'll know I am no fan of commerical breeders but I also know that you would have a huge target on your back placed there by the animal rights nazis.
You might be full of BS or not. I shift BS for a living in my line of work.
Let me know if you'd like to extend that invite.
Rod aka RBD
http://redbirddog.blogspot.com
RBD, if your visit is after the first part of October when I return from Summer Camp, I'd love to join you if that is acceptable to Mr. Hoke.
Mr. Hoke, it will be a physical impossiblity for me to not have contact with any other dogs prior to visiting you and your facility, however I will take appropriate measures, sanitize hands, fresh boots, etc.
Ken Kuivenhoven
Willowynd Ranch Vizslas & Training
I think you'd have to worry about sanitizing your clothes/shoes/hands AFTER visiting his facility unless you want your own precious pups coming down with something.
I've not received any invitation or contact. I don't believe RBD has either, I think he would have discussed that with me.
Ken
Ken
RBD & Ken - being honest and kind is a great trait - PIKE & I hoped that golden meadows would wither and DIE on the Vine - their web sites said it all - but a benchmark is what we need - THANK YOU !
So........ I took the trip down to Golden Meadows Kennels Saturday to see for myself. Some may remember this controversial thread from last summer.
364 miles and 5 hours later, I arrived at the entrance to Golden Meadows Kennels. The sign had a profile of a Golden Retriever and "Golden Meadows Kennels est. 1992" on it.
I spent 90 minutes with Tim and Barbara Hoke, the owners since their start in 1992 with two dogs, going over philosophy of breeding dogs and how they run their operation. I took a full tour of the grounds and met the pups and the sires and dames and the five member full- time staff plus their grown daughter. Nothing was not open to me seeing.
I will be posting my findings and understanding of what I came across on Redbirddog during the next week. I'm going to do it in a four part series on commercial, puppy mill, hobby and boutique breeding practices.
it was interesting to say the least and it will take awhile for me to place it all in words and pictures.
RBD
364 miles and 5 hours later, I arrived at the entrance to Golden Meadows Kennels. The sign had a profile of a Golden Retriever and "Golden Meadows Kennels est. 1992" on it.
I spent 90 minutes with Tim and Barbara Hoke, the owners since their start in 1992 with two dogs, going over philosophy of breeding dogs and how they run their operation. I took a full tour of the grounds and met the pups and the sires and dames and the five member full- time staff plus their grown daughter. Nothing was not open to me seeing.
I will be posting my findings and understanding of what I came across on Redbirddog during the next week. I'm going to do it in a four part series on commercial, puppy mill, hobby and boutique breeding practices.
it was interesting to say the least and it will take awhile for me to place it all in words and pictures.
RBD
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Wow!!!! I am so impressed RBD. I look forward to your post.
I'm looking forward to the posts as well - thank you for checking them out! Please make sure to post the links to this thread so we can find them easily.
I will try and put a link to the relevant article(s) on RBD's blog in the first post, once he has written them.
I don't want this thread to damage the reputation of a good breeder, and considering it is numer 3 in google for "golden meadow kennels" then it has the potential to do so.
This also means if the review is negative/neutral/whatever is will also be linked to in the first post - that way people can make their own opinion.
I don't want this thread to damage the reputation of a good breeder, and considering it is numer 3 in google for "golden meadow kennels" then it has the potential to do so.
This also means if the review is negative/neutral/whatever is will also be linked to in the first post - that way people can make their own opinion.
How about we trash this
unless the facts are from a pro'
or better yet let the truth do the work not a fake $ss pc
Pressing BS is a copy and pasters
and I am sure we can add something of risk and more value then this
if its a mess
it folds
turds rise to the top
bagging and tagging a pc is a coward and weak and just a onion or orange ;D
Show me a war at a cancer center for kids without hope or love with a great V dog
that maybe a value to grasp
slander a onion you could tear some ;D
a orange a cancer sore ;D
this is a tag an bag to me
and about as productive as a Xmas tree in May
let it go
find some without hope
then we can smile miles to me
unless the facts are from a pro'
or better yet let the truth do the work not a fake $ss pc
Pressing BS is a copy and pasters
and I am sure we can add something of risk
and more value then thisif its a mess
it folds
turds rise to the top
bagging and tagging a pc is a coward and weak and just a onion or orange ;D
Show me a war at a cancer center for kids without hope or love with a great V dog
that maybe a value to grasp
slander a onion you could tear some ;D
a orange a cancer sore ;D
this is a tag an bag to me
and about as productive as a Xmas tree in May
let it go
find some without hope
then we can smile miles to me
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RBD - PIKE & I thank you 4 the road trip - when you post again did they change their sales contract ? no refunds and 2 yr health Gur tied 2 a vitamin that has nothing 2 do with disp - do they still have 2 breeding sites - claim to have all their litters with a OFA rating above good but the majority at excellent - do they register all the litters with AKC - did they give you litter certificates - how often do they breed the dam & what happens 2 her @ retirement - these R not my ?'s - just 1's I read on consumer complaints - Calum - let the facts fall were they may - $ PIKE & me 2 many RED FLAGS !!!!!!!!!
I'm off to walk the dogs in my hills. This is what is important to me.
For those looking for a professional assessment of GMK, sorry, none went, so I did. A true neophyte in the breeding world.
For those looking for a review of GMK, sorry not going to give my opinion of another man.
Next to me are two books:
Ayn Rand: Objectivist Epistemology
Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand
I went down not for the HVF members but for myself. I wanted to see for myself this thing called "Commercial Breeder." I have posted many things about puppy mills, internet sales dog sites and commercial breeders over the last four years of Redbirddog, but had never seen one.
I had painted "commercial breeder" with a wide brush.
Observation is all I can offer, not opinion or advice. A man or woman MUST commit enough energy and time into the choices they make. Choice of breeder is a CHOICE and thankfully, we still have such a wonderful thing.
There are many smarter people on this forum than me. For that I am certain, who could give a highly qualified opinion of GMK. That will not be me. It is against my "philosophy of objectivism.
Blog posts will happen later this week. My 60 hour a week job leaves little time for more than work and the dogs.
Calum, please don't expect more, because I won't either approve or disapprove of another man's actions.
I will tell only what I saw.
RBD
For those looking for a professional assessment of GMK, sorry, none went, so I did. A true neophyte in the breeding world.
For those looking for a review of GMK, sorry not going to give my opinion of another man.
Next to me are two books:
Ayn Rand: Objectivist Epistemology
Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand
I went down not for the HVF members but for myself. I wanted to see for myself this thing called "Commercial Breeder." I have posted many things about puppy mills, internet sales dog sites and commercial breeders over the last four years of Redbirddog, but had never seen one.
I had painted "commercial breeder" with a wide brush.
Observation is all I can offer, not opinion or advice. A man or woman MUST commit enough energy and time into the choices they make. Choice of breeder is a CHOICE and thankfully, we still have such a wonderful thing.
There are many smarter people on this forum than me. For that I am certain, who could give a highly qualified opinion of GMK. That will not be me. It is against my "philosophy of objectivism.
Blog posts will happen later this week. My 60 hour a week job leaves little time for more than work and the dogs.
Calum, please don't expect more, because I won't either approve or disapprove of another man's actions.
- Ayn RandI swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
I will tell only what I saw.
- The Buddha"Don't blindly believe what I say. Don't believe me because others convince you of my words. Don't believe anything you see, read, or hear from others, whether of authority, religious teachers or texts. Don't rely on logic alone, nor speculation. Don't infer or be deceived by appearances."
"Do not give up your authority and follow blindly the will of others. This way will lead to only delusion."
"Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real. Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things. Once you have discovered for yourself give up the bad and embrace the good."
RBD
RBD - just a post Vbefore you post - nothing more nothing less - I did not go to GMK - I do not research like U do - just things I'Ve read on their web site - put it out there it should V true - U are out to the hills - PIKE & I R off to the couch - single barrel bourbon in hand & mutt in the lap - that is after a day off lead - PIKE & me - VVe GO VVith a high quailty HOBBY BREEDER - reading the Count of Monte Cristo - ReVenge is always a 2 edged sword - read it every year -yet 2 learn LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!
Pick your breeder with at least the same amount of care you put into picking your fruit
Just read RBD's blog and I'm so impressed that you went to GMK to see for yourself. We got our 1st V, Stanley, from GMK in January 2013 and we were novices to this process. We visited GMK twice and we always felt comfortable with the breeder-especially their daughter whom we talked with on the phone several times. Living in Southern California there seemed to be only a few options when we decided a V was the dog we wanted to bring into our family. We researched and felt we asked all the right questions. It wasn't until after we brought our pup home and started reading posts on this website that we began to doubt the integrity of our breeder. Had we picked a puppy mill? That couldn't be.
We have the most wonderful puppy. Stanley has brought so much joy and love to our family. He is healthy and happy and we are so pleased with our choice choosing a V and also with our breeder. I respect this message board and go to this website whenever I have a question about Vs. This forum is so helpful for a first time V owner. It can also be quite overwhelming and full of strong opinions- as to be expected because our Vs are our children and the way we choose to raise them is up for each individual to decide.
we don't live in the country and we have limitations on of leash options for our V. We live at the beach where dogs are not even allowed on the beach (although we sneak Stanley on the beach at sunset in winter time - he loves the beach!). It seems like the breeders are also different depending on where you live (larger operations servicing the southern ca lifestyle). it's frustrating to read the opinion of a V owner in England somewhere who says something negative about a breeder in Southern California when they have never visited that breeder.
We stand behind our puppy and behind Golden Meadows. They may produce more puppies and might be considered a "commercial breeder" but we have a wonderful, well mannered, easy going, full of personality, sweet boy and we couldn't have asked for a better dog!
We have the most wonderful puppy. Stanley has brought so much joy and love to our family. He is healthy and happy and we are so pleased with our choice choosing a V and also with our breeder. I respect this message board and go to this website whenever I have a question about Vs. This forum is so helpful for a first time V owner. It can also be quite overwhelming and full of strong opinions- as to be expected because our Vs are our children and the way we choose to raise them is up for each individual to decide.
we don't live in the country and we have limitations on of leash options for our V. We live at the beach where dogs are not even allowed on the beach (although we sneak Stanley on the beach at sunset in winter time - he loves the beach!). It seems like the breeders are also different depending on where you live (larger operations servicing the southern ca lifestyle). it's frustrating to read the opinion of a V owner in England somewhere who says something negative about a breeder in Southern California when they have never visited that breeder.
We stand behind our puppy and behind Golden Meadows. They may produce more puppies and might be considered a "commercial breeder" but we have a wonderful, well mannered, easy going, full of personality, sweet boy and we couldn't have asked for a better dog!
Hi there, I also have a Vizsla puppy from this breeder, and after reading this forum, I am deeply worried. How is your Vizsla doing? Is your pup healthy still?Just read RBD's blog and I'm so impressed that you went to GMK to see for yourself. We got our 1st V, Stanley, from GMK in January 2013 and we were novices to this process. We visited GMK twice and we always felt comfortable with the breeder-especially their daughter whom we talked with on the phone several times. Living in Southern California there seemed to be only a few options when we decided a V was the dog we wanted to bring into our family. We researched and felt we asked all the right questions. It wasn't until after we brought our pup home and started reading posts on this website that we began to doubt the integrity of our breeder. Had we picked a puppy mill? That couldn't be. We have the most wonderful puppy. Stanley has brought so much joy and love to our family. He is healthy and happy and we are so pleased with our choice choosing a V and also with our breeder. I respect this message board and go to this website whenever I have a question about Vs. This forum is so helpful for a first time V owner. It can also be quite overwhelming and full of strong opinions- as to be expected because our Vs are our children and the way we choose to raise them is up for each individual to decide. we don't live in the country and we have limitations on of leash options for our V. We live at the beach where dogs are not even allowed on the beach (although we sneak Stanley on the beach at sunset in winter time - he loves the beach!). It seems like the breeders are also different depending on where you live (larger operations servicing the southern ca lifestyle). it's frustrating to read the opinion of a V owner in England somewhere who says something negative about a breeder in Southern California when they have never visited that breeder. We stand behind our puppy and behind Golden Meadows. They may produce more puppies and might be considered a "commercial breeder" but we have a wonderful, well mannered, easy going, full of personality, sweet boy and we couldn't have asked for a better dog!
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