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Greetings V family,

I'd like to know if anyone has any ideas here with what is afflicting Ellie.

She will be 2 in October and started her 2nd heat mid July. This lasted about a month with her vulva swelling going down a lot and bleeding no longer. Then a few weeks later, she started bleeding dark blood with some being fairly sticky. We figured it was just some old blood as her uterus flushes out the lining. Then she started feeling very down and not herself last week. We took her to the emergency vet on Sunday and they ran blood tests, ultrasound, vitals (no fever), etc. The vet was not an ultrasound expert but she said that there wasnt a sign of pyometra but the uterine horns did seem to have some fluid. Blood tests were good besides slightly elevated liver and globulins.

They treated her with an injection of an antibiotic and prescribed amoxcicillin for a week. We then took her to her primary vet for a checkup and she said to basically continue with the antibiotic course as her exam turned up nothing. Ellie continues to feel down, laying down on her blankets on the couch all day. She doesnt seem in pain and will move around just fine, just not her normal crazy V self. She is eating , but not as much, we have her on boiled chicken/rice/kibble mix and are making sure she eats her probiotic powder. She drinks and urinates fine, bowel movements are pretty loose i'm guessing from the antibiotics.

I'm thinking this can be some kind of false pregnancy, where her body is just being hit with a fluctuation of hormones. It aligns perfectly in the 6-8 weeks after her heat started timeframe. She does seem to be "nesting" and appears anxious. The thing is her breasts don't seem to be enlarging, but maybe that doesn't always happen in these cases.

Of course I'm always nervous of a tick born disease. We are fastidious with tick prevention and she wears a Preventic collar. Still always makes me nervous.

She doesn't appear to be getting any worse, but also not any better. I'm thinkin of bringing her back for another blood panel in a few days if this continues or I see signs she's on a downturn. Would love to hear if anyone else has any ideas or has been through a false pregnancy with their V before. Thanks!
 

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poor girl. tick (or vector) born disease is always my first fear as well, just because they seem to spread everywhere, so that panel seem like a logical one to do.
do you have a reproductive specialist vet in your area? they should be able to assess whether any underlying issues which need to be addressed or at least provide with some help to stop the symptoms.
 

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Our Sophie went into her first heat July 18th. The day before that she had vomiting that would not stop. And that was just the beginning. She had broken out in a rash about five days before this and the vet put her on steroids in an antibiotic. So we stopped those thinking that would help but it didn't. Throughout the next month she was so sick I thought something was seriously wrong with her. She didn't eat much at all, she had chronic loose stools and even some diarrhea, she had no energy. And the rash kept spreading and getting worse. She bled for over two weeks. We also had her on hamburger and rice but nothing helped. We ran some allergy testing but we don't have the results back yet. However, today is August 30th and she is completely back to normal. Her teets are still a little swollen because she won't be out of this destrus period until October 1st. Other than that, she's our old Elsa. My advice is to wait it out. It was horribly painful for us to watch but it did resolve. God bless you!
 

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Greetings V family,

I'd like to know if anyone has any ideas here with what is afflicting Ellie.

She will be 2 in October and started her 2nd heat mid July. This lasted about a month with her vulva swelling going down a lot and bleeding no longer. Then a few weeks later, she started bleeding dark blood with some being fairly sticky. We figured it was just some old blood as her uterus flushes out the lining. Then she started feeling very down and not herself last week. We took her to the emergency vet on Sunday and they ran blood tests, ultrasound, vitals (no fever), etc. The vet was not an ultrasound expert but she said that there wasnt a sign of pyometra but the uterine horns did seem to have some fluid. Blood tests were good besides slightly elevated liver and globulins.

They treated her with an injection of an antibiotic and prescribed amoxcicillin for a week. We then took her to her primary vet for a checkup and she said to basically continue with the antibiotic course as her exam turned up nothing. Ellie continues to feel down, laying down on her blankets on the couch all day. She doesnt seem in pain and will move around just fine, just not her normal crazy V self. She is eating , but not as much, we have her on boiled chicken/rice/kibble mix and are making sure she eats her probiotic powder. She drinks and urinates fine, bowel movements are pretty loose i'm guessing from the antibiotics.

I'm thinking this can be some kind of false pregnancy, where her body is just being hit with a fluctuation of hormones. It aligns perfectly in the 6-8 weeks after her heat started timeframe. She does seem to be "nesting" and appears anxious. The thing is her breasts don't seem to be enlarging, but maybe that doesn't always happen in these cases.

Of course I'm always nervous of a tick born disease. We are fastidious with tick prevention and she wears a Preventic collar. Still always makes me nervous.

She doesn't appear to be getting any worse, but also not any better. I'm thinkin of bringing her back for another blood panel in a few days if this continues or I see signs she's on a downturn. Would love to hear if anyone else has any ideas or has been through a false pregnancy with their V before. Thanks!
I had a friend whose went through a phantom and actually her mammary glands didn’t swell. It may be worth looking at it from a behaviourist perspective and get an assessment if you can find someone you trust with experience with pregnancy/pseudo related behaviours. Again like gabica said a reproductive specialist could point you in a good direction themselves or may know of someone. Wishing you all the luck getting to the bottom of it it’s so stressful when you don’t know how to help.
 

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Thank you @Sophie01 and @Pupmum99 . More signs are pointing to a rocky diestrus / pseudo the more I look into it. There are no rational signs she is in pain or fighting an infection.

I was planning on an ovary sparing spay so she can keep her hormones , but if they are the cause of this we’ll do a full spay.

Vets around here are clueless with this stuff since 95% of dogs are spayed/neutered.
 

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update: Ellie seemed better today. Well ironically we noticed her licking herself quite a bit in the nether region. I decided to pick up her rear and squeeze and puss was expelled. Back off to the emergency vet. Turns out it is pyometra, the original reason we took her to the ER vet in the first place. Both the ER vet and the next day primary vet had basically ruled it out initially. She went in for emergency surgery. All went well and she is staying overnight. We'll be picking her up in the morning.

Sometimes you can't go by how our dogs are looking/acting, they give other signs that we have to watch out for that can be serious. They are experts at hiding serious problems from us to make us feel better (i'm convinced). This is very unusual for such a young dog. Our plan was to spay her a few months from now after she turned 2.
 

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So glad you caught it in time. Your right these dogs know how to hide pain, and you know that had to be very painful for her.
Prayers for a smooth recovery.
 
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Turns out it is pyometra, the original reason we took her to the ER vet in the first place. Both the ER vet and the next day primary vet had basically ruled it out initially.
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That's scary - that 2 different vets ruled it out when it was what you thought it was. Also scary how serious it had become. What a relief that you must feel.
 

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Thank you everyone , we are hoping to get her home tomorrow morning.
Prayers she is doing well enough, to come home today.
 
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