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06-14-2013 01:07 PM
huntvizsla
Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

So, I am probably getting myself in trouble here, but what the heck.

In my (limited) experience V puppies are probably not much different than puppies of any other breed - granted my experience with other breeds is less deep than with V's but - Labs, GSDs, cockers, springers to name a few.

I have had all of the puppies I raised beller if they aren't comfortable sleeping on their own. I liken it to a self confidence thing - some pups are inherently more confident than others. Some settle in on the first night, a few take days or weeks to really get comfortable.

I believe that learning to deal with their discomfort ultimately means a more stable dog in the future. Any puppy that can whimper and recieve immediate satisfaction will not learn to handle its own frustration and have a tendancy to be a clingy dog in the future.

This it my experience only, and is the reason I always crate my puppies away from my bed side. Using this approach I have yet to have a clingy, dependent dog, nor have I ever had a dog afraid of its own shadow (barring a health problem which was shared in an earlier post). That being said - I understand that young dogs need to be pottied on a regular basis and probably aren't ready to sleep through the night till they are 4 months of age or more (depending on each dog but their bowels and bladder systems mature at a different rate). There is a difference between "let me out" and "LET ME OUT TO GO POTTY", the first is a complaint the second is a real need.

Assuming this is a well - bred, stable dog, what ever you decide to do will work out just fine for the pup. BUT whatever approach you decide on, try to look down the road to the long term consequences of your decisions.

Good luck with your new pup!
06-09-2013 03:57 PM
lonestar
Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

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Originally Posted by TAIsMom
Personally, I wouldn't move you're pup to the basement, but that's just me. At about 4.5 months Tai was very restless and I'm a light sleeper, so we went through something very similar. I decided to forego the crate at night and let my pup start sleeping in bed with me. From the first he's slept like a dream as long as he's touching me. As a result I get a better nights sleep knowing where he is instead of worrying about "is he moving in his crate too much? Does he need to go out? What's he doing?". Hmm, I'm probably the one with the separation anxiety!!

Tai is crate trained and will go in there willingly throughout the day if he wants, and is great at being crated if I have to leave him alone in the house when I run errands, but we both sleep better when we know where each other is.
This^^.

I recognize that the bed sleeping issue is opening a can of worms, but it really is a good solution as it addresses the underlying issue...puppies... and Vizsla puppies specifically, really crave closeness. And, sleeping together is a great bonding experience, which facilitates just about every other activity where there is some type of demand being placed on them.
06-09-2013 01:43 AM
TAIsMom
Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

Personally, I wouldn't move you're pup to the basement, but that's just me. At about 4.5 months Tai was very restless and I'm a light sleeper, so we went through something very similar. I decided to forego the crate at night and let my pup start sleeping in bed with me. From the first he's slept like a dream as long as he's touching me. As a result I get a better nights sleep knowing where he is instead of worrying about "is he moving in his crate too much? Does he need to go out? What's he doing?". Hmm, I'm probably the one with the separation anxiety!!

Tai is crate trained and will go in there willingly throughout the day if he wants, and is great at being crated if I have to leave him alone in the house when I run errands, but we both sleep better when we know where each other is.
06-08-2013 11:27 AM
huntvizsla
Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

I assume you have only the one dog. In that case you should expect that separation will be more stressful (at least at first) for pup. That being said, I have been sucessful with my dogs in crating them in the basement. The wire crates have a cheap-0 army wool blanket covering them to a) keep them warmer and b) give them the sense of a cave or hidey hole. No worries of suffocation - on very cool nights I have fully covered the crates with no ill effects. If the dogs really objected to the coverings they can mess with them thru the wires, yet I consistently find they are curled into the warmest corner of the kennels.

Some pups adapted better (quicker) than others. One never let out a peep after the first day, the most recent had many unkind things to say for two weeks (in fact he bellered so loud and much that the dog sleeping next to him was VERY DISGUSTED with him for weeks later).

Even today I will give the dogs an occasional treat as reward - they all dive into their crates in anticipation, and settle right down. They all know their "own place" and do not argue about it.

I generally do not see my dogs giving me any peace in the mornings till they are well over 1 year old. The older dogs will sleep long as they can, the young dogs though are just like young of any species - hey the sun is coming up and the whole world is waiting for me to arrive so we can play! Have some patience and pup will grow out of it.

Good luck - this will improve with time.
06-06-2013 04:03 PM
SteelCityDozer
Can I move crate to the basement?

I'd say you're lucky she makes til 530 at that age. Each of ours were 430 at that age. And Penny didn't start making it through the night until a year old. Now she'll sleep til 530 (or 522 today) or 630 on weekends. Dozer will sleep all day if you do but he's nearly 3. Anyhow, I second putting her bed with you after potty. That's the way everyone can sleep more.
06-06-2013 10:27 AM
lonestar
Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

...only cover half the crate of you do this, you can easily suffocate the puppy by covering the entire crate! Think about it...
06-06-2013 09:54 AM
lpdonahue
Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

Try covering the crate with a blanket at night when you put her in her crate and if you put her back in to sleep. Don't cover her if you put her in just for a few hours during the day just night time but definitely put the crate in your room. Vizsla's LOVE TO BE CLOSE!!!
06-04-2013 04:21 PM
abatt
Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

We used to have Isaac's crate in the living room. He would whine few times during the night waking us up. We then moved the crate to our bedroom, to calm him down without having to get out of bed. He actually stopped wining at all and started sleeping through the night.

Another thing to consider, is that you actually do want to be able to hear your pup in case he doesn't feel well. One night we woke up to him screaming on top of his lungs. The moment we took him out he had an explosion of diarrhea. In total we had three of those during the same night. You definitely don't want your pup to be alone when that happens and especially to clean it up afterwards.
06-04-2013 04:20 PM
RubyRoo
Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

We had quite a rough time of getting our Ruby crate trained in the beginning so I feel your pain. She would go through phases of doing good and then the screams all night would be back. I tried the crating in the bedroom and it was worse. She cried even more knowing she was near us and couldn't get to us.

We put her crate in the furthest part of the house so we didn't have to hear her. If I had a basement, I probably would have put her there just to get some sleep

Fast forward to 2 yrs later and Ruby is great now in the crate. We just moved her crate upstairs into one of the spare bedrooms about 6 months ago and she is fine. Hang in there and keep her on a routine. Trying covering the crate with a sheet and get a sound machine. That helped us a bit but in the end it is consistency the worked.
06-04-2013 03:14 PM
KB87
Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

I 100% agree with what everyone else has posted- bring your pup closer to you. You'll get some rattling around and some whining, but over time it will go away. Knowing and being able to sense that you're in the room and they're close to you should help calm the anxiety. You'll likely have some bad nights, but eventually you'll have more and more good nights. At 4 months your pup is still young and isn't used to the routine (especially when it changes) so once they're used to their crate at night it should get better.

I would definitely avoid moving your pup further from you. Afterall, would you want to be shoved in the basement because someone is annoyed that you want out/have to potty and aren't used to it? Puppies = sleep loss - it's part of having a puppy, training them and their growing up. Give it time and she'll be able to hold her bladder through the night and sleep until when you want. Until then- you're on her schedule until she adapts to yours.

Give it time and do what is best for your pup, not necessarily you right now
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