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02-09-2012 10:36 AM
born36
Re: Biting when walking lead o

All these suggestions are great. One theme though that I can't say enough about is....timing and patience. One if you are wanting to reward for good behaviour you need get the timing down to where the treat is given at the point the dog transitions into the good behaviour. Your body language is important here. You shouldn't reach for the treat or lean into the dog until they have transitioned. Patience is equally important. If you want a dog to walk right you don't move unless they are walking right. Each time they pull you stop. This will test you as well as the dog's Patience but soon you will be as one!
02-07-2012 03:38 PM
mariposa
Re: Biting when walking lead o

Thanks guys! I actually have a cross-country girl coming to walk Penny every Tuesday and Wednesday for an hour in the afternoons (on-lead). She started about a month ago, and she's dying to run with Penny, but I keep telling her that she's too young because of the joints.
I have to tell her the new things today, so we'll be consistent.
02-07-2012 03:21 PM
kellygh
Re: Biting when walking lead o

Read Gunnr's posts on heeling! They are great. In one he talks about being able to read the newspaper, because that's how long it took for the dog to get the point re: heeling/pulling. Very informative. We initially used a halter on Pumpkin (not harness) and phased that out as she learned not to pull. For me, I really only used click-n-treat for main command lessons and recall when off leash. Until your pup gets better w/ commands, I would allow her to drag a line (leash or cord) when "off-leash." You will be better able to gently enforce "come" and intervene on biting. I taught my kids knee up when/if P jumps with a firm (not yelling) "off!" A good girl or yes follows. Jumps again, knee up to push away, and off. If you can get the leash pulldown or step on it and say "off." The moment all feet are on the ground,we praise. I would not randomly treat while walking unless you are sure Penny is making the connection to heel. I did not treat for every little behavior in the house either. Waiting patiently for food or waiting for the OK to come through the door is expected, and P quickly picked up the behavior. The behavior was already being motivated by a reward: eating and/or going outside for fun. In the case of a command like "down," the natural motivator is not there. What is the benefit for the dog to "down" in the yard? Not much until you create the connection with rewards. Treats are great to establish behavior & make connections, but I would not use them for everything, IMO. If Penny is running toward you to bite, i would turn my back, give a ah-ah/tssk or whatever along with the command you want to mean back off. We taught P "back" which means back away, because she used to nip at the kids hands when they were playing Or run too close to bikes, golf cart etc. Use what works for y'all & stick w/ it. I try to avoid a lot of "no." Anyway, I would turn my back, give the command, & enforce correction by picking up the leash if you have to. As soon as she is not biting, even if just 3 sec, click-n-treat w/ praise. If she goes right back at it, command, whenever there is the slightest break in biting, click & praise. You may have to repeat the scenario 10x in 5m. Be patient. She will catch on. It wont change over night, but with consistent training & changes you will see improvements shortly. Pups will look for sticks, trash etc. Use trash to introduce " leave it," but it sounds like some of the behavior may be driven by boredom and not enough exercise. Walking is great for a variety of reasons, but I believe Vs need to run. I would go crazy, so would P, if most of her exercise was on leash. If you let Penny get used to a cord, you can give some freedom & have a bit of control as well. Remember I'm no expert. I can only share what has worked for us and our children. There are many different opinions about training. Set goals, be methodical, give Penny purpose, LOTS of exercise, and be consistent with what works for y'all/feels right. Good luck! Linescreamer gave good suggestion on starting the "leave it " command. Thats how we did it in our AKC agility class.
02-07-2012 03:18 PM
Linescreamer
Re: Biting when walking lead o

2 things:

1. How to teach "leave it"

Simple - put a treat in your open hand and when the pup goes to take it close your hand. Then open your hand and say "leaaaave it". Once the pup stops going for the treat release her so she is now allowed to take the treat. You must have a release command (which is used for going through doors and the like). If I say leave it and my hand is open I could hold a steak in it, and my dog will not even look at my hand unless I give the release command - then the steak is gone in 2 seconds.

2. Exercise - Unless you are a cross country runner, don't worry about EVER giving a V too much exercise. They need to run and burn off their energy. Easiest way, is to throw a ball and let them go get it.
02-07-2012 02:41 PM
redbirddog
Re: Biting when walking lead o

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She loved that. We had the best noon walk ever! She did so well on a shorter leash plus all the other things. She used to run pulling me behind her when we were a block away from home and this time she didn't!
Good start. Now make it consistant and stay the authority figure. She will love you for you being the pack leader. NILIF.

RBD
02-07-2012 01:59 PM
threefsh
Re: Biting when walking lead o

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Originally Posted by mariposa
Gave her hot dogs every so often shen she would heel and if she jumped on me and got down I would also give her a hot dog. Now the problem I encountered, was that she quickly realized that if she jumped and got down, then she got a hot dog, so she started doing just that so she could get another one, smart dogs these are....
So I had to quit using the hot dogs and gently pull down on the leash when she jumped and told her good girl when she got down. Is it ok to do this?
You can use whatever method works best for you. Vs are super smart... the way we've found of dealing with the issue of bad behavior in order to get a treat after correction is by treating Riley BEFORE the bad behavior occurs. So, we give treats while she is not jumping on us. As soon as she jumps, we ignore her. Your V will start to connect the dots.

I'm so happy to hear she is making good progress! Vs take a lot of work, but it is really worth it!
02-07-2012 01:54 PM
mariposa
Re: Biting when walking lead o

Noon walk report:

I was able to implement some of the new things I learned here, in our noon, on-lead walk. Even though she was not attacking when on-lead, she was having some other annoying behaviors, such as pulling from leash, picking up sticks, paper, trash to carry, jumping on us, etc. Anyway, I went armed with a baggy with some hot dogs and put it in my pocket and kept her leash very short to teach her to heel. Gave her hot dogs every so often when she would heel and if she jumped on me and got down I would also give her a hot dog. Now the problem I encountered, was that she quickly realized that if she jumped and got down, then she got a hot dog, so she started doing just that so she could get another one, smart dogs these are....
So I had to quit using the hot dogs and gently pull down on the leash when she jumped and told her good girl when she got down. Is it ok to do this?
I also stopped every once in a while when she was walking well and got down to her level and looked at her in the eyes and told her in sweet voice good girl and petted her. She loved that. We had the best noon walk ever! She did so well on a shorter leash plus all the other things. She used to run pulling me behind her when we were a block away from home and this time she didn't!
After we got home I worked on "drop" (when fetching). Again, I had to forget the hot dogs because she got obsessed with them. So I used petting for positive reinforcement and throwing the toy again.
02-07-2012 11:54 AM
kellygh
Re: Biting when walking lead o

I'm no expert, but ??? I don't see why not. If it were me, I would choose a klick-klock sound by taking your tongue to the roof of your mouth or click w/ side of mouth making a "gitty-up" cluck like riding a horse. The reason I would choose those is because it's a sound that can be reproduced similarly by others if needed. Again, whatever you choose, make the sound for training only.
02-07-2012 11:39 AM
mariposa
Re: Biting when walking lead o

Do you think it would be ok to "click" with my mouth? or do I actually have to have the device? It would be easier not to have to keep up with the device...
02-07-2012 11:06 AM
kellygh
Re: Biting when walking lead o

Check out posts, by Gunnr, on heeling. Excellent, IMO.
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