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12-13-2011 04:32 PM
Kobi
Re: When to neuter?

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Originally Posted by Aimless1
Assuming I'll be able to exercise my new V and have control over him much like past dogs then I probably will keep him intact. The two boys I did have neutered didn't seem to benefit and they didn't have an opportunity to sire a litter even if they had been intact.
Honestly, I would probably go this route if not for the fact that my girlfriend and parents (who frequently watch Kobi for overnight stays or a few hours on a weekend) would not approve at all. The only negative behavior he seems to have is a lot of marking, but that doesn't bother me except on a rare occasion when he marks somewhere he should not have (my mom's Christmas sled while it was still in her basement). Sure he marks a lot on our runs, but he's usually done by 1.5 miles in.

The mindset that an intact male automatically fathers puppies simple by being intact boggles my mind, but it seems to be the mindset that many people have.
12-13-2011 03:51 PM
Mischa
Re: When to neuter?

Good to know.
Thanks guys.
12-13-2011 02:46 PM
redbirddog
Re: When to neuter?

Quote:
My question is for those with intact males: do you provide a release ever?
Not needed. That said, you have to give them things that are even better than sex. Birds do the trick for dogs and some older human males 8)

RBD
12-13-2011 02:21 PM
Aimless1
Re: When to neuter?

I have not provided "release" for my intact male. They are as capable of leading celebate lives as we are.
12-13-2011 01:55 PM
Mischa
Re: When to neuter?

Our next dog will more than likely be a male Vizsla.
I'd like to wait until he is fully grown to snip him, but that will depend largely on his behaviour, or more fitting, our ability to train an intact male.

My question is for those with intact males: do you provide a release ever?

I see 2 intact males fairly often and both owners have trouble providing that. They both looked into stud services on craigslist, but this apparently is not legal and their posts are removed quickly.

Just as a note, one dog is a 3 year old Husky, the other a year and a half old Bulldog. Both of these powerful dogs are excellent. No aggression, no bad behaviour.
They aren't allowed in dog parks, but imo they are far better dogs than many who are allowed in off-leash areas.
We see them at an unofficial off-leash park all the time. They do fine with other dogs and neither has ever had a release.
12-13-2011 01:47 PM
jachambers
Re: When to neuter?


We used to take Hudson to daycare once a week but are no longer able to since he's older than 6 months and still intact Every morning on our walks he stops at the car and gives us this look of "do I get to go to camp today?"

I wish we had the ability to let him off-leash in a fenced area (besides our backyard) so he can interact with other dogs but no such thing in our area. We are close to 3 state parks with off leash areas but all of them require you to show proof of vaccination and proof your dog is spayed or neutered.

I previously lived in Charleston, SC, where there were plenty of local dog parks, county parks, and designated off leash hours at one of the beaches without this mandatory rule

Thankfully my parents still live in Charleston so whenever we visit, Hudson is able to enjoy lots of off-leash time with other dogs.



12-13-2011 01:29 PM
redbirddog
Re: When to neuter?

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The breeder said if you don't spay, you have to keep them away from intact male dogs for approx. 28 days during the heat cycle. Does anyone have experience with this?
http://redbirddog.blogspot.com/2009/...explained.html

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"Okay, my bitches bleed for about 3 weeks. Right now I have 9 intact
bitches. I have had as many as 13 at once. I cannot even count how many heat cycles we've managed (with sometimes up to seven bitches in standing heat at the same time)

My girls come into heat every six months like clockwork (Cass is almost
to the HOUR). Their first heat cycle usually comes at around 11 months, and it is every six months thereafter.

When the discharge changes from blood to a more opaque color, THAT is when the bitch is fertile, and needs to be watched the most carefully, not when you slack off.

Use a dog crate with an easily washed/bleached light-colored blanket
inside so you can monitor the discharge and know where the bitch is
every waking moment. When all discharge and swelling stops, you continue
the monitoring her for another week (so, 4 weeks total). You will want
to change these blankets a couple of times a day to launder them, and
control the odor, so have multiple blankets. (I do not use the panties,
as I frequently forgot to REMOVE them when taking the girl out to potty
until it is too late)

Females who have been bred can "hold" the semen for 5 days to to wait until the moment of ovulation -- so absolute caution in necessary until all discharge has stopped and all swelling has gone down. A breeding tie can last anywhere from 5 minutes to 2 hours and still produce puppies.
So a bitch who is out of sight for even 10 minutes could conceivably
take the opportunity to get bred.

Boarding kennels are NOT a good option. If you are not capable of taking responsibility for 4 weeks for every waking moment of your dog's life, then get her spayed BEFORE the heat cycle. Passing the responsibility off to anyone who is not the dog's breeder is a cop out. Besides, I think you will find most boarding kennels would refuse to take a bitch in season in to board because they do not want the responsibility or liability.

Neutered males are NOT immune from the allure of a bitch in season. You can still get a breeding tie, but won't get puppies. Injury can come to both male and female during the tie, so you need to protect your girl from even neutered males, and especially from inexperienced intact males. "

RBD
12-13-2011 01:20 PM
Aimless1
Re: When to neuter?

I don't go to dog parks - everyone in my office who has ends up with their dogs getting kennel cough sooner or later. But I'm fortunate that we have county parks that allow off leash running and we also have a state game area where hunting is allowed - and of course that means dogs can run free.

None of the doggie day care facilities in our area will accept a dog older than 6 months that has not been neutered/spayed. Quest is 11 and was not neutered and has not fathered a litter of puppies yet.

We had a female Gordon prior to Quest. Maizie was kept in a fenced in back yard when in heat ... both to keep the boys away from her and to keep her away from them. No walks during her heat cycle. She had this amazing ability to go into heat every October, the one best month for ruffed grouse hunting here. Eventually I had her spayed.

Assuming I'll be able to exercise my new V and have control over him much like past dogs then I probably will keep him intact. The two boys I did have neutered didn't seem to benefit and they didn't have an opportunity to sire a litter even if they had been intact.
12-13-2011 12:22 PM
threefsh
Re: When to neuter?

I met an intact male for the first time on the Vizsla walk the other day and he was absolutely STUNNING. I can see why it would be a good idea to wait until they're older to neuter.

Our breeder said the same applies to females. She recommends waiting until *at least* the first heat to spay. We are having an issue finding a daycare that will take her unaltered after she is 6 months. Our vet recommends spaying at 6 months, but I think that is not enough time to let her develop properly. I am actually considering not getting her spayed at all, if we can get our work schedules set up so we can exercise her properly. The breeder said if you don't spay, you have to keep them away from intact male dogs for approx. 28 days during the heat cycle. Does anyone have experience with this?
12-13-2011 10:59 AM
born36
Re: When to neuter?

My Mac is 7 months and still has little fellas swaying away! I am also in the camp of the those that think until the bones settle don't touch the nuts. I want him to have all the hormones he can to get him to the size nature intends. I figure why risk it. If you chop them there is a risk if you don't there isn't a risk. Leave til 12-18 months. For those who look down on dogs with nuts they might not under stand as for most breeds everyone is in such a hurry to get rid of them.
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