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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-11-2019, 01:14 PM Thread Starter
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I am looking for a bit of advice ! We were originally looking for a short haired female vizsla puppy and we are in contact with a breeder who produces both short and wire haired.

They happen to have a wire haired litter (both parents wire haired) but the breeder says she believes a male and female of the litter will actually 'stay short haired' she also says that because of this reason they can't be registered wired haired (but we don't care about that ). I have actually taken a look into their previous litter from 2018 and there funnily enough in the middle of a clearly wire haired litter of 7 puppies, is a very smooth little girl !

Can anyone shed any light on this ? If she is looking smooth at 8 weeks old, will she indeed stay that way ? I am guessing it's along the lines of a hidden gene or something like that ?

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Yeah, it's possible for some Wirehairs to never develop a wire coat. Here's an article that explains the genetics: https://sites.google.com/site/austra...of-vizsla-coat
And the appearance of two dogs with the same genes expressed will still vary.



I've heard of dogs that didn't develop a wire coat until they were 1 year or older. Without a DNA test, even an experienced breeder would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a puppy that will develop a coat late and one that will stay short. For that reason, I'm skeptical of the breeder's statement about non-wire Wirehaired Vizslas being disqualified for registration. You would register the dog long before you knew for certain the dog's final coat. What country are you in? I'm curious to verify that for myself.



If you definitely don't want a dog with a wirehaired coat, then the simplest solution would be to wait for a shorthaired litter. A puppy that looks smooth at 8 weeks isn't going to turn into a shaggy-coated dog though, if that's a concern you have.
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as a relatively "new breed" (1930's) wairehaired's haven't really got any uniformity on their coats and it is possible to throw up a very smooth looking pup in a litter, sometimes the wirehair will break through after a few months and sometimes not. I can't see why the breeder can't register the 2 pups as wirehaired vizslas though assuming that both parents are registered wirehaired vizslas..

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Yeah, it's possible for some Wirehairs to never develop a wire coat. Here's an article that explains the genetics: https://sites.google.com/site/austra...of-vizsla-coat
And the appearance of two dogs with the same genes expressed will still vary.



I've heard of dogs that didn't develop a wire coat until they were 1 year or older. Without a DNA test, even an experienced breeder would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a puppy that will develop a coat late and one that will stay short. For that reason, I'm skeptical of the breeder's statement about non-wire Wirehaired Vizslas being disqualified for registration. You would register the dog long before you knew for certain the dog's final coat. What country are you in? I'm curious to verify that for myself.



If you definitely don't want a dog with a wirehaired coat, then the simplest solution would be to wait for a shorthaired litter. A puppy that looks smooth at 8 weeks isn't going to turn into a shaggy-coated dog though, if that's a concern you have.
Hi, thank you for your comment ! We live in France :-) They tend to register them very early here (easily a few weeks before you take them home) so I don't know if it's to do with that ? The fact that they aren't clearly wire haired ?

I also read that sometimes the wired coat comes later on so I thought it might be that. But when you see them at 8 weeks old and all clearly growing their coats and one isn't, it's quite noticeable and I wondered if that was a tell tale sign. The father is more hairy and than the mother, although neither are the most hairy that I have seen !

We are going to see the litter tomorrow !
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Oh, I suppose that could be the case. It just set off alarm bells in my head and I wanted to make sure you weren't being sold a lie. The only thing I could find in the breed standard on the Société Centrale Canine site is that an improper coat would disqualify them in the show ring, which is what I would expect. Maybe there was a misunderstanding or maybe France does things differently than other kennel clubs.

Anyway, I'm only familiar with one of the breeders (Domaine St. Hubert) that currently has a litter, but they all look excellent, so my concerns were unfounded. Enjoy your visit!
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