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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-08-2019, 01:26 PM Thread Starter
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Just keep intact?

Eli is 1 year old. I'm waiting until he is 18 months to get him neutered. After the obligatory rough patch as younger puppy, he has turned out to be just an all-around great dog. Very social, not aggressive, energetic but controllable, and of course very affectionate. I'm a long time dog owner but he is my first Vizsla. I'm super happy about him. My question is should I even get him fixed?He seems great as he is and the only extra male behavior he seems to have is marking outside. I don't typically board my dogs or need doggy day care ( most here don't take intact dogs). Thanks for your input.
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post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-08-2019, 07:37 PM
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If you have no real reason to neuter him, I would leave him intact. Some years ago, I neutered my then male at 3 1/2 years old. I was never going to breed him, and had 2 intact females in the house. It was to just cut down on the whining, when they were in heat.
FYI, neutered males still mark outside.
Some of my females even mark.

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The general opinion here and in the wider Vizsla world is to not desex them. There's the recent Vizsla study in particular (google it) that studied the effects of neutering on V's (and Golden's) and found an increase in cancers and early death. The gonads produce hormones that are used in cellular metabolism throughout the body, not just fertility. The practice of neutering as a general rule is not based on fact.

I've had 3 intact boys, no problems at all. You will too.
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Eli is 1 year old. I'm waiting until he is 18 months to get him neutered. After the obligatory rough patch as younger puppy, he has turned out to be just an all-around great dog. Very social, not aggressive, energetic but controllable, and of course very affectionate. I'm a long time dog owner but he is my first Vizsla. I'm super happy about him. My question is should I even get him fixed?He seems great as he is and the only extra male behavior he seems to have is marking outside. I don't typically board my dogs or need doggy day care ( most here don't take intact dogs). Thanks for your input.

Pretty much in a similar situation. Our V just turned two today and our Vet recommends neutering him this Fall during his annual checkup. I resisted earlier attempts at their recommendations to get him neutered last year. Our breeder, and several other V breeders that we know, strongly suggest 2-years of age at the earliest. And if you can wait until 3-yrs even better.

I know the conversation is going to take place in November at the Vet and I'm going to hold my ground for another year and may in fact leave him intact permanently. Don't know if this helps, but that's my current insight with our 2-yr old male V.
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Pretty much in a similar situation. Our V just turned two today and our Vet recommends neutering him this Fall during his annual checkup. I resisted earlier attempts at their recommendations to get him neutered last year. Our breeder, and several other V breeders that we know, strongly suggest 2-years of age at the earliest. And if you can wait until 3-yrs even better.

I know the conversation is going to take place in November at the Vet and I'm going to hold my ground for another year and may in fact leave him intact permanently. Don't know if this helps, but that's my current insight with our 2-yr old male V.
There are very few things I feel strongly about, but neutering is one of them. There's just no reason to do it, and the mounting scientific evidence is clearly against it. The kindest thing I can say about vets who continue to automatically recommend and then advocate for it is that they are not aware of current research and conclusions. A good vet doesn't "Push" unless there's clear scientific evidence to do so. For instance, if your dog is clinically obese, of you mention you give chocolate or macadamia nuts as treats, etc. Otherwise, frankly I'd question their judgement on the whole and find another vet.
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There are very few things I feel strongly about, but neutering is one of them. There's just no reason to do it, and the mounting scientific evidence is clearly against it. The kindest thing I can say about vets who continue to automatically recommend and then advocate for it is that they are not aware of current research and conclusions. A good vet doesn't "Push" unless there's clear scientific evidence to do so. For instance, if your dog is clinically obese, of you mention you give chocolate or macadamia nuts as treats, etc. Otherwise, frankly I'd question their judgement on the whole and find another vet.

I feel the same way and will stand firm on this one for at least another year and possibly not at all.

Our vet has been in our community for over 40-year and very reputable. In fact the current head veterinarian was president of our state board, for whatever that is worth??? To that end, I brought our new addition to our family, now an 18-week old female V, during her "puppy shots", etc and they already started talking spading. Quite frankly I was a bit shock that they would even begin this discussion and just reaffirmed my position on this entire topic.........

Another quick story, we recently got our second V from the same breeder as our 2-yr old male and we discussed this very topic. That's when he mentioned at least two years and better to wait 3-years. And then he quickly looked up at me and said "or never, I never spayed/neutered mine through all these years".

Anyway, I know a controversial topic to say the least, but as the years go on it seems even more important to educate prior to pulling the proverbial trigger on these.........FWIW.
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I think some of the vets don't stay up to date on new research. They go by the risks of dogs left intact, but not the risks of desexed dogs.

If a male staying intact does not disrupt the household, there's no reason to have them neutered. If you have to neuter them. Try to wait until they are two, or three years old.
My personal opinion on females is slightly different. Keep in mind this is my personal opinion. If a female is never going to be bred. I like to spay mine between two, and four years.
I've waited as long as 6 years old(without breeding them), and wish I would have done it a couple of years sooner.

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Thanks-all of your responses are helpful. I'm going to continue to wait (he's only 1 now) but l I have no real reason to neuter him. He's calmed down a bit and not disruptive.
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Agreed with above comments. 2 males in the household here, getting along well and don`t see any reasons neutering them so far. One is 3.5 years, the other one is 15 months old.
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Elvis is 4.5 years old, intact and has a super temperament, he marks as well
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