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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-21-2016, 07:26 PM Thread Starter
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Female Vizsla or GSP

Hello everyone!

Tossing up between these two wonderful breeds and are extensively researching the better breed to serve our needs.

A little more about myself and my fiance..

Both professionals living in the suburb of Armadale, Melbourne.

We have always had our eyes set on a Vizsla or a GSP but apartment living together has hampered that. We are currently living living in an apartment block that is quite spacious and has a communal backyard along with our own private front (grassed) area, big enough for a beautiful dog to run around in.

As mentioned, we are both very active people and exercise everyday as fitness is apart of our lives.

We both have owned dogs in the past but not for a few years now.

We own also own a 8 y/o Russian Blue female cat so the breed would have to adapt to a cat being around also and vice versa.

We both have our hearts set on a beautiful girl to complement our beautiful natures.

Hoping for some positive advice on the appropriate breed to compliment our loving and caring natures.

Kind regards

WOWO
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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-27-2016, 08:33 PM
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Re: Female Vizsla or GSP

Hello! Happy Autumn and Easter to you! Melbourne sounds wonderful! I am new here as well! I hope that the mod will respond because I am curious too! At Westminster this year, a GSP named CJ won Best in Show. He's a gorgeous dog, but a mystery to me. Don't hesitate to correspond if you wish -we newbies have to get acquainted ;D. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Female Vizsla or GSP

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Hello everyone!

Tossing up between these two wonderful breeds and are extensively researching the better breed to serve our needs.

A little more about myself and my fiance..

Both professionals living in the suburb of Armadale, Melbourne.

We have always had our eyes set on a Vizsla or a GSP but apartment living together has hampered that. We are currently living living in an apartment block that is quite spacious and has a communal backyard along with our own private front (grassed) area, big enough for a beautiful dog to run around in.

As mentioned, we are both very active people and exercise everyday as fitness is apart of our lives.

We both have owned dogs in the past but not for a few years now.

We own also own a 8 y/o Russian Blue female cat so the breed would have to adapt to a cat being around also and vice versa.

We both have our hearts set on a beautiful girl to complement our beautiful natures.

Hoping for some positive advice on the appropriate breed to compliment our loving and caring natures.

Kind regards

WOWO
Since there are a lot of views and no responses, I'll offer an answer. We Vizsla owners tend not to be "boosters" of the breed. Those who desire a V in their lives, in our (collective) minds, should have no doubts, and even then we're skeptical most people know what it takes in terms of exercise requirements, training requirements, and emotional needs (all of which are sky high). Few people will try to talk a person "into" a Vizsla, and most will try to dissuade. Not because Vizslas aren't great dogs, but because they are.

Now a GSP and a Vizsla are close cousins, bred for the same purposes, created at the same time (don't believe the fanciful Vizsla creation mythology, as it is pure invention) and much shared genetics.

A person who likes Vs or GSPs is likely to enjoy the other. Further, with breeds that are so similar the differences with-in a breed can sometimes be as great as across these two. So these are "generalizations" that should be understood as such, and they come from one persons experience (mine).

As similar as the two breeds are there are a few general differences.

One, Vs have no undercoat. GSPs have a short (but dense) undercoat. An undercoat is an advantage in cold weather, but makes GSPs more "doggy" than Vizslas. My V (who is raw fed) has a coat that feels like soft velvet, where GSPs coats tend to be more coarse, but GSPs coat is better for weather.

Two, GSPs tend to be larger than Vizslas. Not to say there isn't cross-over in size (a big V might be bigger than a small GSP), but it is something w=to consider.

Three, at least in the USA a very well-bred GSP can generally be had for far less money than a well-bred Vizsla. Almost half the price.

Four, GSPs (in the main) tend to be less emotionally needy than Vizslas. A GSP is often content to be a kennel dog, Vizslas tend to need their people around to be happy. This difference is probably the biggest deal. Vs tend to be needy. The upside, if you like a very affectionate dog, is they really bond with their masters. However some suffer badly from separation anxiety. GSPs tend to be less needy. Still good friendly dogs, but dogs.

Five, Vizslas have an elegance that the handsome and utilitarian GSPs don't quite muster IMO. GSP owners tend to like their dogs not being snooty, and think of them like a good truck.

Of the differences the emotion needs of the Vizsla strike me as the most significant issue. Two aphorism one hears about our "velcro" dogs are "you will never go to the bathroom alone" and the Hungarian saying, "if you own a Vizsla it lives on your head." Vizsla often seem like they would meld into your body we're it possible, and they've not given up hope that it is. Is such neediness a positive for you, or not? A V could drive the wrong owner nuts.

The exercise and training needs of Vs and GSPs are going to be pretty similar. Vizslas don't tend to take well to harsh training methods, where (not that they should be used) many gun dog trainers use a lot of "pressure" (a euphemism for pain) with GSPs.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

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post #4 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-28-2016, 11:17 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Female Vizsla or GSP

Thanks for the reply Bill!

My fiance and i visited a Vizsla breeder over the weekend here in Melbourne, Australia.

I must say this breed is totally full of beans and hyperactive to say the least!

They own 12 dogs in total and also have a litter of 8 pups.

Next we want to visit a GSP breeder and compare.

We are kind of leaning towards the GSP at the moment..

Cheers

Muzza
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It's nice to believe that you have made your choice almost. Good luck with a GSP. Happy belated Easter Monday

To Bill:Thank you for your kind answer; it was quite informative. By the way- with the raw diet, how do deal with meats? Do you cook them to kill bacteria? Again , thank you.
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Thanks for the reply Bill!

My fiance and i visited a Vizsla breeder over the weekend here in Melbourne, Australia.

I must say this breed is totally full of beans and hyperactive to say the least!

They own 12 dogs in total and also have a litter of 8 pups.

Next we want to visit a GSP breeder and compare.

We are kind of leaning towards the GSP at the moment..

Cheers

Muzza
Hey Muzza,

It is a good idea to visit a number of breeders in person to observe differences in lines. A well-bred Vizsla should be high-energy and highly-active, but not "hyper-active." Both Vizslas and GSPs have high exercise requirements. I looked for a line that went gang-buster in the field, but was calm in the home, and got a V that suits me high-energy and athletic, bit with an "off switch").

With either breed, they need to run daily. Neither are couch potatoes.

Take your time to find the right dog, from the right litter, from the right breeding pair. Which ever way you go. There are enough individual differences between pups and lines to make it worth "the process" of finding a pup with the qualities that resonate most with you. All GSPs are not the same, nor are all Vs the same, despite their being strong breed traits.

Best wishes in your search.

Bill

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Re: Female Vizsla or GSP

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To Bill:Thank you for your kind answer; it was quite informative. By the way- with the raw diet, how do deal with meats? Do you cook them to kill bacteria? Again , thank you.
As discussing raw diets tends to derail threads quickly and I'd like to keep this one on topic, please check out this thread https://www.vizslaforums.com/index.ph...html#msg250354 and feel free to ask any questions there. Thanks!
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As discussing raw diets tends to derail threads quickly and I'd like to keep this one on topic, please check out this thread https://www.vizslaforums.com/index.ph...html#msg250354 and feel free to ask any questions there. Thanks!
Sorry, I started writing before you posted.

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Re: Female Vizsla or GSP

No problem, Bill. I'll just split the topic.

Cuddlebug, I moved Spy Car's response to your question here.
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Re: Female Vizsla or GSP

Any household with 12 dogs has to be fairly chaotic! I don't necessarily think that's a fair representation of what you might expect.

Since your goal is a pet or companion animal, the biggest difference for you btwn a GSP and a Vizsla is the emotional neediness of the two (and I think connoisseurs of the respective breeds would agree with this): Vizslas absolutely demand to be full partners in any family they participate in, they will not tolerate being merely an addition to their families or mere baubles, but actual equals. GSP's typically are far more independent and seem to recognize they are dogs. The energy levels, the exercise requirements, etc., are very similar. The real difference..and the one variable I've found that results in them needing to be re homed...is their emotional intensity. A well exercised Vizsla that also does not get enough "Person time" (often on your lap!) will not be at all happy, and their unhappiness will make them very difficult to tolerate.

The real question is how much dog you really want in your life. The rest can be managed, but be clear with yourselves what your actual expectations are and make sure they fit the needs of the breed. Successful Vizsla ownership is a huge emotional commitment, but when properly matched, they will truly change your life in a deeply profound way.
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