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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 02-10-2016, 06:53 AM Thread Starter
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Nail trimming question

I have a question about trimming my V's nails. Every book I read suggested that their nails need to be trimmed often and kept short, however, when I took Amber (now 17 weeks) to the vet a couple of weeks ago and asked her about the nail trimming, she said there was no need to trim their nails, that it would happen naturally by running outside. I'm in Germany and the vet does seem to have some experience with Vizslas as they are not uncommon here but I was surprised by her response. Is this a different view because we're in Germany? Do they not do pedi's here? Just wondering what everyone thinks. Should I make sure to trim her nails and if so, how often should I do it? I was hoping she was going to show me how to do it but I guess I'll keep doing it on my own. I'm currently using a cat nail scissors and I try not to get too close to the quick. Also, do all V's nails change color and go dark eventually?
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How often depends on the pup/dog. If she is not wearing them down, then they will need trimmed. Some of us clip and file, and others use a dremel. I know we have some good information, already posted on the forum. I'll see if I can find it.

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Re: Nail trimming question

Here is one post I found.
https://www.vizslaforums.com/index.ph....html#msg16640

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Re: Nail trimming question

Thank you, I'll check that out!
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Keeping nails trimmed shorty is vital.

It is well known among handlers of canine athletes that not keeping nails short changes the articulation of a dog's stance and this leads to muscular-skeletal issues, placing stress on joints.

It is a much bigger deal than most dog owners realize.

And what is "too long" is a lot shorter than most people realize.

Your vet is unfortunately misinformed.

I use a handheld cordless dremel and utilize two two different heads:

One is a rubber drum-head that takes replaceable cylinders of sandpaper. These are good for basic nail removal. This head is harder to "shape" with. Tends toward a blunt look.

The other is a stone in the shape of a tall cone. This one is slower going, but makes "shaping" easier (if one cares). Helps with better end result.

Care should be taken with a dremel not to use it too long on any given nail, as you don't want the friction-heat to cause discomfort. One should also not apply undue pressure (for the same reason). A couple seconds, and move on to the next nail, One can always come back to the nail.

Good to condition dog to dremel. Turn it on, show to dog, praise dog, treat dog, be happy, turn it off unused. Repeat until dog is positively conditioned to dremel sound before using.

My Vs nails grow absurdly quickly, not sure if it is the raw diet (or what?), but I usually need to deal with them at least once week.

For a dog to wear down their nails themselves those nails need to be long enough to have contact with concrete or other hard surfaces (which means the nails are too long) which is putting pressure on the joints and not really doing the job. Don't believe that you can let the nails "self-trim." Vs do not take a lot of "maintenance," nail-trimming is the exception.

Our Vs are to athelitic and active to let this go.

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Karen, it's unclear what your vet was responding to, but V's nails typically should be trimmed about once a week. There's not enough friction or contact with the ground, even on city streets, to wear down the nails enough in lieu of trimming. I'd ask him again for clarification, and if he clearly states that nail trimming isn't necessary, I'd find another vet.

I also strongly disagree with the concept of over trimming, there is a limit to how far you should trim, you run the risk of hitting the quick, (a blood vessel in the nail itself), which is both very painful and results in profuse bleeding. If you're trimming once a week and you're taking the tip off you're fine, I much prefer to leave more on and minimize the risk of hitting the quick.

There are three devices to trim with, the dremel, the "Pliers" and the "Guillotine" all of which sound far more medieval than they are, and all have their advantages and disadvantages. I use the guillotine, which is basically a loop that fits over the nail, and with a squeeze, pushes a razor across the nail, slicing it off. It's the least frightening and quickest, and I find it most effective. The Dremel allows more precision as it grinds, which is slower. However, the noise and the extended vibration freaks the dogs out, before they get used to it there's this control aspect that I think is unnecessary.

Again, if you shine a bright light on the nail, you can see the quick inside, and if you use the guillotine, you can easily place it so it doesn't hit it. Have some styptic powder just in case, it'll stop the bleeding, but nipping the tip is fine.

Lastly, nail color coordinates with coat color, neither of which change much...darker coated V's have darker nails, and vice versa. Lighter nails make it easier to see the quick, however.
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Re: Nail trimming question

Keep them trimmed nicely when she's a pup or you'll have long nails to contend with when she's older and they'll never be short enough. Our rescue came to us with longer nails than our girl and we just can't get his shortened enough. It's not horrible but I know he'd be happier with shorter nails.
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I take my boy Willie to the groomer once a month to have his nails trimmed. It's a walk-in thing... no appointment necessary. The groomer is very experienced, knows what she's doing, and charges $10. To me, it is worth every penny. No stress for me, and Willie likes to see the other dogs at the groomers. I just write myself a reminder on my calendar so I won't forget.

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There is no reason to "freak a dog out" with a dremel, which is why it is smart to positively condition a dog to the sound and vibrations prior to using it, and to be mindful of friction-heat when using. My V stands or lies down for the trimmings, and t is a "no drama" affair.

The advantage to the dremel is that it makes cutting the quick very unlikely vs options like guillotines. Erring on the side of "length" to avoid hitting a quick—which is something to avoid—is not optimal. Not a good compromise IMO.

Getting the nails to the proper length is important. It is riskier with a cutting devise, which freaks out most owners, so the nails are either left too long, or trimmings are outsourced to once-a-month affairs (both of which are likely to leave nails too long).

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Re: Nail trimming question

Just offering my own opinion...often, there's more than one way to do things. It's good for readers to read different perspectives and have the benefit of different experiences, so they can decide which advice seems most reasonable and suits them best.

My own experience is that the guillotine is speedier,easier and less stressful to both dog and owner, and the extra millimeter of nail removed with the dremel isn't worth the stress the dog initially experiences from the noise and vibration. There are many things a dog needs to be trained to do or to tolerate, and there's also a concomitant level of stress they need to endure in that process, but nail trimming doesn't necessarily need to entail either. That's just me, though. I also believe...and I'm confident that most vets and breeders and owners in general would concur..that if you trim the tips off each week, you're good.



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