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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 01-17-2016, 01:10 PM Thread Starter
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Has anyone been rejected by a Vizsla breeder?

Hi Everyone!

Just a while ago I got rejected by a Vizsla breeder after filling out my puppy application last night.

According to them, the reasons were:

You will be hard pressed to find a breeder who does not crop a vizsla tail (2/3rds crop, as called for in the breed standard). This is done for safety, not only cosmetics, as a vizsla tail becomes thin and breakable in the distal third. For an active breed, such as the vizsla, this becomes a liability when hunting or running in the woods. Vizsla puppies also have their dew claws removed for the same reason.

Vizslas are a soft breed, who do well with positive training. Ceasar Milan's methods will not work well with a vizsla. They are also a breed that needs 30-45 minutes of off leash exercise daily, as they are bred to hunt all day long. They are a very "velcro" dog, and they do not do well left alone for long periods of time.
As you know from your research, the vizsla breed is not for everyone. Based on the answers to your questionnaire, and your emails, I sincerely believe that you should research another breed as a companion animal. I'm sorry that we cannot help you further


I questioned if the breeder docks the Vizsla puppy's tail and cropped their ears because I do not its tail to be docked and its ears to be cropped. I can understand the dew claws. I guess I just didn't want my puppy to start looking like a Doberman.

I work from 7AM to 5pm. I thought I could wake up early at 5AM to take the puppy for a walk and play with it before going to work at 6:30. Then stop by at 11AM since I have an hour lunch and I'm 10 minutes from work. I get home at 5PM and thought I could bring the puppy for a hike or at the park. I did understand Vizsla is a velcro breed, but I feel like the breeder wants someone to be home all day. I don't understand that because who is going to pay the bills, and take care their family pet? I understand that the Vizsla needs a free run hence why I suggested the hike, dog park, and tennis court.

I'm a single 27 year old with a very well paying job and I have my own house. I am not a hunter. I did start my puppy savings 2 years ago and was ready to commit to my future furry companion until its old age. This will be my first pet. I have spent times with Purebred German Shepherds and Labs, but their energy is not the same as mine. I usually go for a hike about 2 hours. Oh I forgot the Caesar Milan's methods, I thought was to be calm and assertive. I understand it's important to do positive reinforcement. I felt like she thought I would abuse the puppy when I mentioned Caesar Milan.

Do I need have someone to dogsit the puppy during the day instead of coming home from lunch?

Thanks in advance! I can't think of any other breeds for me beside a Vizsla or a Rhodesian Ridgeback.
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Re: Has anyone been rejected by a Vizsla breeder?

I've never heard of that before, but apparently it happens.

Have you considered adopting a Vizsla from a rescue group or the "dog pound"? They are generally just delighted to find a home for their dogs. My boy Willie was a lost dog, picked up by Animal Control. He was about 1-1/2 or 2 years old when I adopted him. He came into my home fully house-trained and already having great house manners. No jumping up on people, no begging at the table, etc. For a person such as yourself, who works full time, a pretrained dog could be a huge advantage.

Also, I've had no problem with bonding. He knows I'm the one who got him out of jail! I've had him for seven years now, and we are tightly bonded. I'm pretty sure Willie loves me like crazy. Well, it's just a thought. In order to find a purebred Vizsla in the dog pound or in rescue, you have to stick with it... but it does happen, if you keep looking!

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Re: Has anyone been rejected by a Vizsla breeder?

Welcome Explorer,

mswhipple has hit the nail on the head, especially for your full time working needs. A Puppy, especially a Vizsla puppy is a 24/7 full time requirement
for the first several months. The only break you get from their constant needs is when they are asleep between food, potty, play, training, and more potty. As babies (first 3 months at least) They cannot reside in a crate for hours... They will not learn basics, and it will be pure torture for them and you.

I know you want to love your new pet, be sure you get off to a comfortable start... Puppies are exactly like having a human baby... feeding, diapers, crying, multiple needs become terribly time consuming, and frustrating. Especially when it cuts into your sleep, your relaxation, or stresses you because you don't have time for them.
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Re: Has anyone been rejected by a Vizsla breeder?

Yes a breeder can turn you down if they feel you are not a good fit. You want a undocked tail. She docks tails. Thats enough for one to say no. A good breeder will not change what they feel right, just to sell a pup.

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Re: Has anyone been rejected by a Vizsla breeder?

To me, it sounds like your life is suitable for a Vizsla. Sometimes breeders are very protective of their dogs and have one reason or other to decline your application.

As tkna states as a puppy, a vizsla is a ton of work so expect to take some time off work or have other means to take the dog for a potty every couple of hours til they are 6 months or so.

Keep looking for a breeder in line with your values. You'll find one, it will just take some work.

I'm a 31 year old single male and couldn't imagine my life without Viszlas in it. I work full time and live alone as well. It is a major responsibility and effort though. Be prepared for all your time outside of work to be dedicated to your dog.

I know of many other young, busy people who have raised vizslas. It just takes commitment, routine and willingness to make sacrifices for your dog.

Where are you located?

You should be less concerned about a docked tail. No legitimate vizsla breeder will ever crop their dogs ears but you are extremely unlikely to find an undocked vizsla outside of Europe.

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Re: Has anyone been rejected by a Vizsla breeder?

I'll give you my take on the breeder's response, but please take this constructively.

No one crops vizsla ears, so if I were a breeder and got a question about that it might indicate to me that the person had not done sufficient research. Tail docking is a hot button issue that I happily remain on the fence about. Having a different value on that issue than the breeder could be taken as a criticism of their choice to dock and even if it doesn't it is just a mismatch. This isn't a simple transaction, as I'm sure you're aware, so it's important to find a good fit personality and value wise as you enter into a long-term relationship with this breeder. I'm sure you can find a breeder that doesn't dock, but I would warn you from making that such a high priority on your list that you might overlook health clearances, good temperament fit, etc.

Mentioning Cesar Milan would also be a red flag for me. I like that he is aware of his energy and how that affects the dog, but overall his methods are too heavy handed and based in dominance theory, which doesn't give a breed as intelligent and sensitive as this one enough credit. They want to please and if you treat them with respect and love they will give it back 10 fold. He would look at a vizsla leaning against their owner and say it was asserting dominance over the person. If you followed his advice and discouraged that you'd be robbing yourself of a wonderful relationship and more importantly you would be taking away something that is bred into the very being of these creatures. What bothers me most about his methods are when he provokes a dog into reacting in a negative, but natural way and then corrects them into submission. A vizsla will shut down under that kind of pressure. Milan certainly uses some positive methods as well, but that's not what I think of when I hear his name. So we can disagree on whether he's a good trainer, but hopefully that gives you some insight into what the breeder may have been thinking.

I personally think you could make owning a vizsla work with the schedule you mentioned. I am also 27, live 10 minutes from work, and go home mid-work day to hang out with my dog. It works great for my adult, lower energy dog. A puppy however is far more demanding, especially during those first couple months at home. Many people take off a week or two to help transition the puppy and start training off on the right foot. If that's not an option then hiring a dog walker to come and relieve the puppy in the morning and afternoon is definitely something you should consider.

Again, please don't feel defensive reading this. I believe your views are more nuanced than my interpretation is, but it's worth seeing if they came across that way to this breeder. Puppy applications can only give so much information and I'm sure you can appreciate how difficult it is for breeders to make the choices they do.



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Re: Has anyone been rejected by a Vizsla breeder?

Wow, I didn't expect to get a lot of responses. Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I'll respond to each of you so that way it would be easier instead of having so many posts.

@mswhipple

Hi mswhipple! And thank you responding to my original post! Hahaha, I guess I'll be the first then. I had to laugh when you mentioned you got him out of jail. I thought about looking into rescue group or the dog pound, but it appears that they're a lot of Pitbull mixes.

I'm just afraid if I do rescue a Vizsla from a rescue or dog pound that it would think I'm an abusive owner or anyone who comes near it is abusive due to their past. Also, I donít know if the dog came from a puppy mill. Iím worried about the health risks and the cost if Iím not able to maintain its health.

After hearing your story, how you adopted your furry friend, I thought I'll give that a try and have a little faith that everything will be okay.

@ tknafox2


Hi tknafox2! The reason I wanted was a puppy was so I can train the commands in a different language since my parents and family members do not speak English. After reading mswhipple, Iíll get an adult dog instead since she mentioned that Iíll be saving a life instead. I just have to train the commands in a new language. Also, itíd be ready to go on my hiking adventures to see the waterfall with me. I just hope it knows that I will not hurt it or give up on it like its previous owners is all I asked. Thank you for replying to my post!



@TexasRed

Hi TexasRed! I understand any breeder can reject the puppy application. I just wondering where I went wrong on the application was all. Thank you for replying my post!

@organicthoughts
Hi organicthoughts! I thought the breed would suit my lifestyle or a Rhodesian Ridgeback since Iím an active person.

I understand it takes a lot of work with a puppy. Just thought I would train the commands in a different language. Not only that, I never had a puppy before so I thought I would enjoy the experience of adopting a puppy and watch it grow.

Iím located in Connecticut. I found the breeder that rejected my application through Google. I understand Vizsla breeders donít cropped the ears but I thought I asked just to be sure they donít since I donít personally know the breeders.

Iíll adopt a dog from a shelter or a rescue instead since like mswhipple mentioned, itís saving a life. After hearing her story, I would give it a try since Iím volunteering at Meriden Humane Society this upcoming Saturday.

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Hi! Oh no worries! LOL I thought I asked since I thought the breeder told me I could ask her any questions. So I thought I could asked, and I felt comfortable talking to her without thinking that me asking her will cause her to think I didnít do any research.

Yeah, I googled after to see whatís wrong with Caesar Milanís methods. Boy lots of comments on his methods. I can understand her concerns now after reading. Some of his methods I wouldnít use. I do agree with positive reinforcement since Iím the same way. LOL

Thank you for explaining in the breederís point of view because I got totally confused when she said I could ask her any questions. I thought it would be okay to ask just to be sure, but I know now it wasnít.
Iíll look into rescues or shelters that have a Vizsla.

Again, thank you all. You helped me clear up wondering if the breed is the right for me after the breeder told me it is not. Who knows, Iíll probably spend at the animal shelter and end up adopting a different breed instead. Iíll give a try to looking into rescues and shelters.
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Re: Has anyone been rejected by a Vizsla breeder?

@ tknafox2[/b]
Hi tknafox2! The reason I wanted was a puppy was so I can train the commands in a different language since my parents and family members do not speak English. After reading mswhipple, Iíll get an adult dog instead since she mentioned that Iíll be saving a life instead. I just have to train the commands in a new language.

Vizsla is very intelligent breed! Don't you worry, they are very fast learners. My Vizsla understands commands in three languages. Some of my family members use commands in broken English and my boy seem to understand everyone just fine
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I'm just afraid if I do rescue a Vizsla from a rescue or dog pound that it would think I'm an abusive owner or anyone who comes near it is abusive due to their past. Also, I donít know if the dog came from a puppy mill. Iím worried about the health risks and the cost if Iím not able to maintain its health.

After hearing your story, how you adopted your furry friend, I thought I'll give that a try and have a little faith that everything will be okay.
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My Vizsla was also a recue from the SPCA where I live. I had a previous pound dog (a Shepherd) and wanted another rescue. It took 6 to 8 months of a lot of work to get my dog to get really comfortable with me and my wife. I spent a whole lot of time and training with him every day... but it paid off. I dont think in general rescues assume everyone is out to hurt them, even if they were abused. Within a short time, they realize if you are a loving, caring person things will be getting pretty good for them. It does take a while for them to understand they have a permanent home and also fully bond with you. Im no expert, but thats my take with both my dogs, and many friends who also have rescues.

Im currently looking for another rescue V, well not immediately but hopefully in the near future. I'd rather take a chance on a dog who needs a great home, than assume all pound dogs are trouble waiting to happen (health and/or behavior wise).

Good luck in your search for your dog.

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Re: Has anyone been rejected by a Vizsla breeder?

You didn't mention why you wanted a Vizsla..what are the reasons and what are you expecting? Your expectations and reasons for the ears and tail are not only a red flag, but also not sensible. There are breed standards of the AKC that breeders follow, these are taken very seriously by them, and your sharing your lack of understanding or appreciation would not only be a red flag for me, but would immediately disqualify you for ownership.


No one likes to be rejected, especially when it's so personal. But, breeders have a responsibility to make sure the placements for their babies are appropriate, the breeder sounds like they're doing due diligence. Your lifestyle DOES sound like it's at best not a good fit, but probably incompatible with a puppy..but especially a Vizsla puppy that requires so much extra attention and work.

I'm also not going to sugar coat the idea of getting an adult Vizsla, either. A Vizsla is a Vizsla, they really do require a lot of emotional attention, time, and exercise, and if you're at work for 8+ hours a day, I don't think the age of the dog is an issue as much as it's basic needs aren't compatible with your lifestyle.

FWIW, I didn't get a Vizlsa until I was part time, and frankly that's not really enough time..for either of us.

Sorry...

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