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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 06-04-2013, 12:50 AM Thread Starter
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Can I move crate to the basement?

Hello. I am writing this (as opposed to sleeping) because 4.5 month old Ruby has been rattling around on her crate and whining for the past hour and a half. Her crate is right on the other side of the bedroom wall. Don't know why she is whining tonight. It's usually her morning routine.

Here is a typical sleep: Pur her in crate around 9:30 or 10:00 PM. Ruby gives no resistance because she is tired. She wakes up around 5:30 AM and rattles the crate and whines. I let her outside, and she pees and poops. I put her back in the crate. I try to sleep until 6:30 AM. Ruby will typically whine and rattle the crate during this hour.

I initially had her crate so close to my bedroom so I could hear her when she has to go potty, since she is learning to hold her bladder. The crate is also on the living room, my main hang out area. Now, I am wondering if I could move the crate in the basement where I can't hear her. In an ideal world, I get up at 6:30 AM to let her out. I'd love for Ruby to hold it of she wakes up sooner. BUT I don't want her to be miserable and about to explode either. I also worry about removing her crate to a location I rarely hang out at.

What does everyone think? Can I move Ruby to the basement? Can I force her to wait until 6:30 for potty?
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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 06-04-2013, 01:14 AM
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I wouldn't move the crate to the basement... Just not my thing. I don't think dog would be happy and it sounds rough for the poor gal to be alone in an unfamiliar room just because u want to sleep in

At 4.5 mos, Wilson was sleeping from 10:30/11pm -- 6:30 am. So about the same amount of time. Can u try bumping hours back? We do leave Wilson's kennel in our family room instead of moving it around. We can hear him from our room if he really needs something and its a room he is familiar with... But we aren't in sight so maybe that helps diminish whining and other incentives for bad behavior.
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Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

She's still pretty young. At that age Miles still needed to go out early. At a 8 or 9 months he began to be able to wait a little longer to go outside. Now at 17 months he will stay in bed as long as we are both in it but if someone gets up he wants to go too. Totally up to you of course, but I think around your pup's age we started pulling him into bed after potty and he would go back to bed for an hour on the weekends if we wanted to sleep in. I know that's not for everyone but just a comment.

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Re: Can I move crate to the basement?


There is an old Hungarian saying, If you own a Vizsla, it lives on top of your head.

Unlike many utility dogs, Vizslas (or Vizslak in Hungarian) were never expected to be far from their masters; they were close-working hunters, finding, indicating, flushing, and retrieving game by day and sleeping next to their owners at night.

Sorry to say, 4 months is a critical time in the development of your little dog. It can be achieved over time, but why defy history?
I had a devil of a V at 4 months. I started to train him at around 5 months :-[ though.
What your little dog is trying to do, is enforce her own rules on you... because she noticed it worked at some point :
I am sure it is possible to move the crate little by little (inch by inch) outside, but be prepared for some major whining.

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Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

I'd do the opposite..I'd bring the crate into the bedroom. Youre dealing with separation anxiety here, she knows youre close by and cant get to you. If you move the crate downstairs, she'll still feel anxious b/c she's not near you at all.

You've got a Vizsla there, and we know they like us. She knows youre on the other side of that door, and the separation makes her anxious. Take her crate in the room, and see what happens.

If you need to remind yourself when to potty her thru the nite come up with a different way, maybe set your alarm so you can whisk her outside before she even realizes she needs to go! Dont forget heap lots of praise, and lots of kisses.

People get confused about crate training..its not a punishment ....it;s just giving them (and you) space, but it doesnt need to devolve into a control struggle, which yours is fast becoming.

Try the crate in the room, close to the bed.

......everything else is just a dog.
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Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

"Her crate is right on the other side of the bedroom wall. Don't know why she is whining tonight. It's usually her morning routine." - GLHF

she may need an extra bathroom break just to be sure...


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Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

Hi, GLHF! Please keep in mind that all dogs are pack animals, and this especially holds true for the Vizsla. They want nothing more than to be with their pack (which is you), and to go hunting!! It just strikes me as a little unkind to put her crate in the basement. She's only 4.5 months old, which is still very young, and she has a lot of adjusting to do. I know it can be difficult, but try to be patient with her. It will all work out in time.

p.s. My boy Willie is six years old. I don't even own a crate.

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Datacan: Great links you posted regarding the wonderful V.

I might add: http://fusionvizslas.wordpress.com/2...d-family-dogs/

Sorry if this is a little off topic.
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Re: Can I move crate to the basement?

I 100% agree with what everyone else has posted- bring your pup closer to you. You'll get some rattling around and some whining, but over time it will go away. Knowing and being able to sense that you're in the room and they're close to you should help calm the anxiety. You'll likely have some bad nights, but eventually you'll have more and more good nights. At 4 months your pup is still young and isn't used to the routine (especially when it changes) so once they're used to their crate at night it should get better.

I would definitely avoid moving your pup further from you. Afterall, would you want to be shoved in the basement because someone is annoyed that you want out/have to potty and aren't used to it? Puppies = sleep loss - it's part of having a puppy, training them and their growing up. Give it time and she'll be able to hold her bladder through the night and sleep until when you want. Until then- you're on her schedule until she adapts to yours.

Give it time and do what is best for your pup, not necessarily you right now

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