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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-23-2013, 03:32 PM Thread Starter
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Ernie won't come back...

Ernie's nearly 11 months now and up to the last 4 weeks or so, his recall was great. However, he's suddenly forgotten or decided that he ain't coming back when I call, particularly towards the end of the walks. I've got him on the long lead at the moment and he comes straight back, not a problem. However, as soon as he's off he'll come back once or twice and then that's it, simply not interested. There's alot of me standing in the middle of woods and fields at the moment desperately trying to get hold of him. I know he's only 11 months but what am I doing something wrong?? Am I missing something obvious??

Any advice gladly received!

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Re: Ernie won't come back...

Whistler's the exact same age, 11 months... He's exhibiting a bit of the same on recall where he used to be perfect at every call. Nose to the ground, and just barrels through the woods sniffing for birds, ducks, rabbits, and squirrels. I was told it was part of their ''adolescence'' and like teenagers they can be a bit harder to work with intil the age of 2....but perhaps the more experienced members can comment.

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If He or She is doing this over age 6 months and your using the whistle and hand commands to bring them back

and you get nothing you have less then 3 choices to me

e-collar or I use a 35 ft Horse lunge training rope in the brush its a pain but it works

the volts much faster

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Re: Ernie won't come back...

Elza was the same at that age... It's a bit of a training regression, you need to go back to basics.
First I let Elza run around and play a bit since its easier to do some training once she's a bit tired then I'll do lot of training on sit down stay recall and heel. If I try to do this at the beginning of the walk I set myself to failure. She wouldn't bother.
She's 17-18 months old now and recall is about 90-95%. Still some way to go but just spending 10-15 minutes each walk on recall training has helped a lot.
To be honest never used a training lead myself but I can see why it would work.
Also my girl is really food motivated so I use that wisely. Now I treat her randomly sometimes one treat, sometimes lots, other times none. Like this she won't ignore me since she never knows when she will get a treat.
Others don't always agree on using a treat but we are all different.

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E collar. He comes back on long lead bec he knows he's on long lead. You can try a lighter rope but he'll probably still know.
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E collar. He comes back on long lead bec he knows he's on long lead. You can try a lighter rope but he'll probably still know.
Agree. Welcome to Vizsla adolescence. Miles an angel with recall until 10 months. We tried long lead training too no success bc he knew when he was on it. We have had an e collar for about 6 weeks and its changed our training completely. 2 months ago we never would have let him off lead in a new place. This weekend he went 20+ miles of hiking in Big Bear excellent recall. It's so much nicer to be able to relax and enjoy the scenery. Before we were constantly looking out for people and dogs so he wouldn't run up to them ( that's how he has been bit, too enthusiastic), or dangers on a trail. We were skeptics but now are very happy with our decision.

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If He or She is doing this over age 6 months and your using the whistle and hand commands to bring them back

and you get nothing you have less then 3 choices to me

e-collar or I use a 35 ft Horse lunge training rope in the brush its a pain but it works

the volts much faster

but I am a hand on handler to my mates

they trust your work scents and rewards
I'm with Swede on this one. Check chord + repetition.

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Re: Ernie won't come back...

I had exactly the same problem with kutya when she was about 12 months. Until then her recall was fantastic, responding to both the whistle and calling her. Then she became inconsistent, she would come back some times and not others. She was worse in open spaces like the park, so I started avoiding going there and took her on country walks.
She was ok there initially and then again became inconsistent. She would always come back during the walk, I always praised her and gave her a treat and carried on but if something got her attention -a dead rabbit, other dogs or even just a far off gunshot - she was like a headless chicken and just would not come back to me. She would come near me but not near enough to catch! However, at the end of the walk she would just not come anywhere near me!
I then started putting her on the lead before the end of the walk to trick her! So didn't have any problems at the end!
The other day I went out and long story short she was a nightmare! 2 hours of trying to get hold of her which resulted in me being shouted at by a farmer for having an out of control dog ... Basically to the tune of "get it on a lead and don't let if off until its trained , you're ruining that dog it's a good dog"
I did go home and feel sorry for myself for about half an hour and then realised it was harsh but the best advice I could have been given! I needed that shouting at!
Kutya is now 19months old and he is right that she should be trained! I have not been addressing the problem just avoiding it! I went straight out and bought a retractable lead. And started going back to the basics at home.
Basically we feed her last, ignore her when we first get in, and practise basic commands all the time. Within a few days there is a noticeable difference in her body language and behaviour. She has had several walks on the lead and I reinforce all the time the recall command.
Now I feel an idiot! I knew that vizslas were intelligent and needed a lot of handling and had not noticed that I was letting her dominate ! Ad choose when to come back!
Honestly my advice would be to get a firm hold now! It will get worse otherwise!
I am going to seek out the farmer and thank him!

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Re: Ernie won't come back...

I have been putting Riley on a 50ft lead and letting her free run
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post #10 of 16 (permalink) Old 05-10-2013, 09:50 AM
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Re: Ernie won't come back...

Beginner question:

Is a check cord and a long lead the same thing? Can anyone recommend a cheap place for me to pick one up? Online or in store...

Also, this concept is confusing to me, do you just walk around with a giant bundle of lead in your arms ?

I think this would be good for my V just want to get a clearer picture on what this looks like while training.

Thanks!
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