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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 03-21-2013, 04:58 PM Thread Starter
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When will it be over?

Anyone have any insight on when "Vizsla adolescence" is over?? Miles is 15 months today and we though we were heading out of this phase as he has been better with commands, stopped challenging us for dominance, and his fear with new people has greatly improved. We thought we were heading out of the teenage years but today he has been awful so we are thinking it's not over yet....

Today he is trying to be dominant over me (as he knows he won't win with my husband) and yawns or scratches when we give a command which our trainer says is his way of controlling the situation. He also made an effort (only his second time ever) to guard his bone. Overall he is a good boy but I am getting frustrated with him reverting back to these ways every few weeks despite persistent training. Anyone with slightly older Vizslas have any advice?

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Stay strong and keep up with all the hard work.
Cash is my problem child. He to will yawn and sigh at times to try and get out of doing something. It never works, and you would think he would figure that out. Sometimes they with yawn when stressed.
I don't know how bad Miles is, but Cash was at the high end of the scale on dominant behavior.
He is good 98 percent of the time (will be 4 yrs old in June)but will still give it a try. He will always be a work in progress.
If you ever feel frustrated, put him up. Get him back out when your calm and your emotions are in controll. I lost it with Cash once. My teenage son walk up me, to kiss me goodnight. Cash leaped up and bit his hand. Before I thought I hit Cash across the head . Grabbed him by the back of the neck and his back. Literary threw him in the kennel. I had lost it. I was mad at Cash and mad at my son. My son for walking up to Cash while he was asleep at my feet. Cash was on a lead but was to quick for me to stop him before the bite. My son knew better but wasn't thinking. That's been along time ago, and its been years since Cash has bitten anyone.
If I let up on be a assertive owner Im sure he would revert back to his old ways in no time.

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Miles is on the submissive side. He is the one getting humped by other dogs and always backs down in a game of fetch if another dog starts chasing the ball. We believe that he is trying to climb the pack in our house and is trying to get past me as my husband has a stronger more assertive presence than I do. I was very disappointed with the guarding since it's been so long (8 months!) since he last tried that. I took the bone away from him and he looked remorseful for his behavior.

All of my friends think we are crazy for getting another puppy... but I think the puppy phase is easy! Miles was the best puppy ever! But this teenage stuff sure is challenging.

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above all stay calm and controlled, Ruby at 20 mths is only just older than Miles, never try and train after a bad day at work. When Ruby tries getting bossy I turn my back on her, raising my voice achieved zilch, then I say "are you steady yet?" she'll plonk her bum to the floor and I'll wait a few seconds telling her gently and calmly "goood steady" before giving her a rib/chest tickle. Same as when the postie comes up the garden path, rather than barking a "down" command (she gets on the sofa back to bark at him through the window) I just say "Ruby, steady", she comes down at once, itching to get back up on the sofa back, but as she sits I keep telling her calmly, "goood steady". This approach really does seem to be paying off. I think you've got to keep a good controlled voice throughout that way your dog can't wrest control.

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Thanks. I used to get very frustrated with him but I know he doesn't understand why, he just senses the anxiety I create by getting mad. So at 20 months still going through it? Sigh. I guess I should look at the positives and realize that I should carry dog training qualities into all aspects of life. Patience, calm and controlled attitude, and consistency good for work and life too

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Willie is so funny in this regard. If he doesn't want to do something I ask, he will roll over and present his belly. Very submissive, right? But you see, he still isn't doing what I asked! I have no idea where this behavior came from, because I didn't have him for his first two years. Anyhow, when this happens, I have to lower my voice somewhat to be sure I sound a little stern, and then he will comply as asked. I should note that he doesn't do this very often. He really is a very good boy. ;D ;D ;D

Miles is still an adolescent, as you said, and every dog is different as to when they are truly mature. Just be consistent and hang in there. It will happen gradually. Harrigab's right -- voice is extremely important. Mile's has to know that you mean it.

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Have you decided on a breeder yet?
I knew Cash was going to be a handful before I got him.
One overly strong willed dog was enough for our house hold. I made sure the girls were out of very biddable dogs that pasted that on to their litters.
If you haven't found a breeder yet, I would check and see if Ken (Willowynd Ranch) has bred Hank with any bitches that carry the same trait. ET passes on high drive, sweet biddable pups. What you pay up front, you will save on training later. Its a night and day difference.

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Thanks. I used to get very frustrated with him but I know he doesn't understand why, he just senses the anxiety I create by getting mad. So at 20 months still going through it? Sigh. I guess I should look at the positives and realize that I should carry dog training qualities into all aspects of life. Patience, calm and controlled attitude, and consistency good for work and life too
no MM, she's a lot better now, although not too long ago I was wondering if we'd ever get to the stage where we are now. i took Ruby to a couple of group training sessions with a pro trainer and he pointed out where I was going wrong and we've developed a programme from there, it meant stripping back to the basics in some areas that I'd neglected ie "steady" in a controlled calm manner coupled with lots of praise when she reacted positively. Obviously she's still a long way off the finishing mark yet but at last it feels like every training session is a step forward as opposed to 2 steps forward 1 step backwards

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If you haven't found a breeder yet, I would check and see if Ken (Willowynd Ranch) has bred Hank with any bitches that carry the same trait. ET passes on high drive, sweet biddable pups. What you pay up front, you will save on training later. Its a night and day difference.
I just got a pup from Ken's last litter by Nellie. Tai (aka Honda) is the sweetest most cuddly, eager to please pup in the world. Not to say that he doesn't have his moments, but he's only 14 weeks old and I'm trying to keep training focused yet fun at this point. Oh, and I think he's fooling me, but I could swear he's already potty trained. I want to work with Mike George in the Vizsla club here in AZ to get him field trained. I drove over 600 miles to get my Valentine pup and I don't regret it one bit. I wholly agree with TexasRed that, if you're looking for a new pup, Ken at Willowynd Ranch is a great breeder and resource!

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