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Aggressive Dominant Behavior

We bought our little Addie from a pet store 8 months ago. She is now 10-11 months old. Over the last few months she has become very territorial of her food, play toys, human items and me (the mother-I am her "person")! She is getting aggressive (growling and niping/biting) when we try to take toys away, human items away, if we even come near her when she is eating. Sometimes she gets aggressive towards people if she is in my lap and my son comes up next to me.

Last night she was sleeping near me in bed, and my husband leaned over to move her a little and she bite him, and drew blood!

I do not want this to get worse.

I know we should excersize her more. She gets 30 min-1hour of walks/run/rollerblades on week nights and on weekends she gets 2 hours/day of off-leash playtime/running at the dog park. We are working on this part.

As far as training her. We have done two obedience classes, which haven't helped at all!!! My husband has used some harsh punishing/training with her and I think she is overly sensitve to it. I think she is very fearful of him! I try not to use this type of punishment, and feel like that is why she is so attached to me because she feels safe with me.

My husband has stopped being so harsh with the punishments, because it obviously has not helped. We are thinking of bringing in hired trainers to our house to help with her.

My question is...has anyone dealt with this? We want to keep her, and are willing to hire a professional trainer. I have been reading blogs about families haveing to give up their v's because of this - so the dog is in a better environment - better families that know how to work with vizslas. We want to keep her...just looking for any advice!
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We bought our little Addie from a pet store 8 months ago. She is now 10-11 months old.
There are dozens of threads on aggression here on this forum. Suggest first is to use the upper right hand side search box.

I'd go back to the PET STORE and insist on one of two things:

1. Complete family history of the dog.

or

2. FULL REFUND.

Others can give you advice on how to deal with it, but you bought a "potential wreck waiting to happen" when you gave your cash for an unknown temperment dog.

Support hobby breeders. This is the only real answer.

Sounds like you bought a lemon. Good luck making lemonade. :-\

Sorry, but until people stop buying dogs in pet stores, stories like yours will continue.

Now maybe others could give you more pleasant news and advice.


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Re: Aggressive Dominant Behavior

I don't think the pet that this family loves is a lemon just because they got her from a pet store. It sounds like she needs some structure and some serious training before it gets worse.

I wish I could offer advice, we haven't dealt with this.
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RBD: Addison came with all sorts of health issues and we have been fully re-imbursed for her initital costs.

That being said, we can't erase where she came from...and need to work with her now!

Any advice or suggestions for trainers in Minnesota!?
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Over the last few months she has become very territorial of her food, play toys, human items and me (the mother-I am her "person")! She is getting aggressive (growling and niping/biting) when we try to take toys away, human items away, if we even come near her when she is eating.
NILIF (Nothing In Life Is Free) - we have used this with Riley ever since she was tiny and it will be a big help in your situation. Here is a good website detailing how it works:

http://k9deb.com/nilif.htm

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Sometimes she gets aggressive towards people if she is in my lap and my son comes up next to me.

Last night she was sleeping near me in bed, and my husband leaned over to move her a little and she bite him, and drew blood!
She is being territorial with you. From now on, no more lap or bed privileges. Heck, I wouldn't even allow her on the furniture with that behavior. You will have to be the one to enforce it because it sounds like she respects your authority more. After reading the bit about your husband using "harsh punishing", I don't blame her for wanting to bite him if he's hurt her. She obviously doesn't trust him.


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I know we should excersize her more. She gets 30 min-1hour of walks/run/rollerblades on week nights and on weekends she gets 2 hours/day of off-leash playtime/running at the dog park. We are working on this part.
I would do at least 1hr in the morning and 1hr at night (off-leash somewhere she can really stretch out and run is best).

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As far as training her. We have done two obedience classes, which haven't helped at all!!! My husband has used some harsh punishing/training with her and I think she is overly sensitve to it. I think she is very fearful of him! I try not to use this type of punishment, and feel like that is why she is so attached to me because she feels safe with me.
What kind of punishment are we talking about here? If he's hurt her physically, this could be a big part of her aggression issues. It very well could be a fear aggression (growling or biting for fear of getting hurt). Vs are extraordinarily sensitive dogs and can be easily ruined by harsh treatment.

I would highly recommend getting a behavioral specialist to assess the situation.

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I don't think the pet that this family loves is a lemon just because they got her from a pet store.
The sad fact is that if the V is from a pet store, there is a 99% likelihood that the pup comes from a puppy mill. The dogs in puppy mills are not temperament screened.




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I know what RBD said sounded strong but he had good reason.
The first was buying from a pet store .
No breeder that cares anything about the breed will sell their puppies to a pet store. So you purchased a puppy mill puppy. You should look up Puppy mills. So you have a understanding of the environment your pup came from, and that purchasing these pups keep the adult dogs living in **** for their entire life.
I think your going to need professional help to learn how to safely control you dog. The NILIF program can help in the mean time.

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jjenfield, take a look at this article and the related ones attached.

http://redbirddog.blogspot.com/2011/...mily-news.html

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RBD: Addison came with all sorts of health issues and we have been fully re-imbursed for her initital costs.
Poor Addison came with health issues and temperment issues. Wow!

I'd make the pet store take the dog back. Make the poor thing his problem. He expected to make money buying the dog from a commerical breeder at a low price and selling it high. I would not be nice about it either. He made a bad business decision. It should not be your fault, except that you fell in love with that beautiful puppy.

Maybe rethink a Vizsla now that you know how much energy it really does take.

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I can't even imagine having/needing to give up my little guy for any reason. I'm sorry you are having to deal with this jjen. Hopefully, next time you will choose the breeder more wisely. BUT since you have already fallen in love with this pup, I think you should read everything you can about aggressive behavior and start making some changes of yourself and your husband. Also, learn as much as you can about the breed. I hate even thinking about a dog being treated harshly when the owners may have helped in creating the behavior. I think a professional trainer THAT KNOWS THE BREED could be helpful. You may want to think about returning the pup after you've tried everything that you can. I got my pup from a very reputable breeder and he showed posessive signs when he was 6ish months. I did tons of reading and put in every ounce of energy into nipping the behavior as quickly as I could and doing it in a manner that was beneficial and effective to both me and my pup.
Shiloh Kennels and Stables is in Wisconsin and the owner is the vice president of the Vizsla Club of America, you may try giving him a call to see if he has any references of help in your area.
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I can't even imagine having/needing to give up my little guy for any reason.
This is the exact emotion that pet stores and commerical breeders are hoping for.

We have to put it back on them otherwise they will keep doing what they are doing.

Living with for 14 to 16 years a poor health and bad temperment animal because a couple business owners saw profit in inexperienced buyers.

Draw the line somewhere once you educate yourself that there is a better way to get a Vizsla. You deserve better and the breed needs you to be strong and smart! Ask the pet shop owner if he will be paying for the vet bills and professional training the dog will need to have a happy life. Bet not!

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If you decide to keep Addie…

The search box is about to become your best friend. I would start searching under 'aggressive' and 'behaviorists'. I think laurita posted about one in Wisconsin who even does phone consultations - dogs best friend or something like that. They might even be able to recommend someone close to you in MN. Then I would just start going through all the historical posts under 'Training & Behavior' and 'Behavior Problems'.

If you don't find what you need in the posts, IN MY OPINION, you might try going to a local dog park - without your V. Go early in the morning before the 9-5 crowd gets there - or better yet before about 8:30 on a weekend day. The only people who wake up that early are the ones who are serious about their dogs (as opposed to the ones who will stand around with a cup of coffee while their dogs do whatever). Look around and talk to the owners of any of the retrievers or pointers for references about trainers in the area. The people you want to talk to will be the ones actively playing with their dogs (fetch, obedience, walking & talking to them). Most will be happy to chat for a few minutes if you tell them you are trying to help your dog. You will probably hear lots of recommendations, but only a few names will be repeated by lots of people. I would start with those trainers.

Good luck!
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