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post #11 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-02-2018, 09:56 AM
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The correct correction for sniffing, does not leave chunks missing from the sniffer.
Normally you let a dog do a quick greeting, and then move along.

Both dogs on lead, and one wearing a service vest. Yes, I would have payed attention to the growl, even with a vest on. But I know all to well about fake service dogs.
It is our responsibility to teach our dogs correct manners, or in the least warn others. If our dog is not dog friendly.
If I just stand there saying nothing , and don't move a dog aggressive dog away. I would be at fault. I hold others to the same standards.

I worked very hard with my adopted vizsla Ranger. He would take around 10 minutes to warm up to another dog. His first reaction to a dog coming straight up to him, was a low grrrr. We went to pet stores, and outside of dog parks 3-4 days a week to change his reaction. I was not going to let him take a CGC test, unless he could get past the grrr. And his grrr was barely audible, with no snapping, or teeth showing. I in no way compare passing a CGC test, to a service dog.

One of the top complaints, of owners needing medical alert dogs. Is fake service dogs in stores. They bark, snap, and try to go after the working dog.

That dog is a disgrace to service dogs, and so is it's owner for putting the vest on it.

My reply does not mean I disagree with Starrpaths post.
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I think you need a trainer here, you seem to have misunderstood this whole, potentially tragic incident. The schnauzer needing to not just tell your dog off....which is what those skirmishes most often are, even though they look far scarier....*but actually attack him*..viciously, with the possible intent to kill him, your dog was injured fairly badly and probably worse if you and the owner didn't intervene....says a lot about your dog's lack of proper socialization, as well as your inability to provide that.

He will need to learn..from you...proper doggie etiquette..and you will have to learn how to provide that. The proper use of corrections...not "Negative reinforcement" that is a misuse of the term, and surely not abuse or even far safer than the "Correction" he received from the schnauzer...and far less potentially lethal.
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No need for apology. I appreciate your feedback and I do agree that it is my responsibility to ensure that Scout behaves in a respectful and polite way. I will say that you are correct that my dog has learned that I don't punish him, but he absolutely knows that I have high, consistent expectations and he strives to please and live within the boundaries that I have set. I do correct my dog quite regularly but as I mentioned in my original post, I failed to adequately correct his humping behavior when he was young.

I would also agree that I probably didn't handle the schnauzer situation correctly, and should have removed Scout from the situation much earlier. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and I will know for next time. The reason that I felt the dog just "snapped" was because up until then, other dogs that Scout had been around would also growl at him when he was out of line as a warning and give him a chance to back off but it never resulted in such a sudden and vicious attack. I also made the incorrect assumption that this particular dog would likely have a greater amount of impulse control and tolerance for puppies given its "service dog" status. Scout was lying down when he was bitten and definitely not doing to the dog what I would consider "rude behaviour" such as pawing in the face, lunging, or mounting, etc., which I know he is capable of and have been working to correct and address - he is still very young and excitable. I appreciate when the correction comes from other dogs and not 100% of the time from me so that he can understand inter-dog play and manners for himself and teach him to protect himself (as you mentioned), however, I attribute this particular attack to the fact that Scout was likely giving off a scent that left the other dog feeling intimidated and not because I am too nice or inconsistent with my training - though I am also still learning.
Am I incorrect in saying that you feel like the schnauzer's reaction was justified? I personally do not, but there are many complexities when it comes to dog aggression that we have yet to understand.
Thank you again for ringing in on this, something to think about for sure.

Oh, and he will be staying intact!!

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Hi gingerling,

I just realized there was a second page of replies after replying to Starrpath! LOL
I do work quite closely with a trainer and have since nearly day one. My dog has been incredibly socialized but he is still young and impetuous. I feel that the lack of socialization may be on the end of the other dog in this situation, but we can agree to disagree. That being said, I will never deny that Scout has a ways to go and lots of maturing to do.

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I can't answer for Starrpath, but imo the schnauzer's correction was not ok. Like TR mentioned, a correction shouldn't take chunks off another dog.
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post #16 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-04-2018, 10:55 AM
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Dog attack

He is allowed to get too carried away, possibly not rested enough and not told off enough. Go back to lead work sharp barking no commands and treats for good behaviour.

To the owner of the attacking dog....
a dog that attacks is in the wrong and should be told no. Attacking is more unacceptable than daft puppy behaviour or nuisance behaviour from unschooled dogs.

Why do owners whose dogs attack always blame other dogs or people. If it attacks keep it on a lead and / or muzzle it.
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