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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 11-10-2011, 08:42 PM Thread Starter
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Growling, showing teeth, biting

So we have a 9 month old Vizsla named Parker and an 8 week old Vizsla named Bailey. Parker tends to not listen and steals food or random papers off the table or socks or wet towls. When we go to grab what he has away from him he growls at us and shows his teeth. We've tried to be mean, we've tried to be nice, nothing works. We don't want to just let him go bc that means he wins and it'll only get worse. There has been a few close calls to of him trying to bite us once we try to grab his muzzle. He actually bit my bfs hand tonight (my bf and I live w/ eachother so he is not a stranger) when he tried to get a sock out of his mouth. What do you suggest us to do?? He cannot keep being like this or someone will get hurt eventually. I was bite by a Jack Russel Terrier when I was 13 in the mouth, stiches and all and I am afraid when Parker gets something bc I can't do anything about it. Thats not making me the boss if he gets away with it. What do you guys suggest?
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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 11-10-2011, 10:11 PM
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Re: Growling, showing teeth, biting

I think you might have some "pack" issues. Look over:

http://redbirddog.blogspot.com/2009/...dominance.html

Also remember "A tired Vizsla is a happy Vizsla." Are you challenging your dog's both physically and mentally? They need work to be happy. Important part of owning these high-energy hunting dogs.

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Re: Growling, showing teeth, biting

I think from the sounds of the post that you might be a little in over your head. Thats just my assumption however...you should consider a trainer. At 9mo your window is closing to nip this stuff and I'm sure there are several factors not listed in the post that are contributing to the behavior. As RBD mentioned, excersise and training is one facet of the household dynamic, but my guess is that there are a host of other little signs you're not picking up that eventually bring Parker to his end.

back to square one for parker on obedience, training, boundries, limitations - whatever you want to call it.

How is the pup in all this?

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post #4 of 26 (permalink) Old 11-10-2011, 11:13 PM
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All the advice I've read from professionals is not to have a struggle with a dog who guards--I know it seems counterintuitive from the standpoint of dominance theory, but having a showdown actually strengthens the object guarding rather than weakening it. The dog learns, "I thought I was just being paranoid, but turns out, these humans really ARE going to try to take stuff from me, and I'd better hang onto the stuff I want at all costs." Instead (and I know some will disagree) use a treat for a trade at first. Every time your dog releases the object in exchange for a treat, say the words "drop it" or "give" right as the dog is releasing the object. Ideally, you should practice this many times with dog toys or other objects you don't need back, so that after the dog releases the object to you, you can actually hand it right back to the dog. The dog gets a treat AND gets the object back. Over time, the dog learns that good things happen when he gives you what you want, and eventually, you will be able to use the cue "drop it" or "give" to simply ask for what you want from the dog. Gradually, you will phase out the treats and ultimately, have a struggle-free way to get back your items. Here is a link: http://www.mspca.org/programs/pet-ow...itdrop-it.html
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post #5 of 26 (permalink) Old 11-13-2011, 05:25 PM
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Re: Growling, showing teeth, biting

I agree with everything above. We also have a possessive vizsla, but he started to show possessiveness at a much younger age. We tried everything as well- being nice, being mean, etc. I hate the idea of trading the item for a treat, but I started out this way. Once he knew my approach towards him meant good things, I started asking him to drop it without a treat, picked up the item, THEN gave him the treat. We have a special stash of high value treats we ONLY use for drop it, so he continues to want to drop whatever he has because he knows he will get something extra tasty.
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We to have an extremely aggressive Vizsla. Our son got him at 7 weeks. Our son had to move temp to another state. So mom and dad is taking of Orion. He is very talkative whines, barks to get his way. He wants to be petted only on his terms and when tired of being petted he will go into a red zone attack. He has bitten my son (his owner). Our son was on couch Orion got on couch our son touched Orion. Orion went into a complete red zone attack. Not a BITE. A full on ATTACK. He bit my husband. Husband touched him when getting out of bed. Orion sat next to me I was petting him suddenly he turned his head eyes dialated and went into a full attack mode.
Orion just turned 3 he is an intact male. He WILL be neutered this friday.
Don't know what else to do. We have had other issues. EXTREMELY FOOD AGGRESSIVE.
Will put down if this does not work.
If anyone has any ideas PLEASE HELP
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Will put down if this does not work.
If anyone has any ideas PLEASE HELP
Do not do this please.


If you can not find a way through this then the Vizsla community will help. There are many ways to deal with this behavior. Your situation is hard because you did not "want the dog" but being the good parent were there to help your son.

There are hundreds of posts here on the forum about these behaviors, dozens of books, thousands of dog trainers that can all help. Putting a good Vizsla down is the very last resort.

Vizslas are high-energy hunting dogs that need a special knowledge base.

You can send a PM and I'd be willing to give you some suggestions off-line.

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jlradolec please listen to redbirddog and others on this site. There is more to these dogs.

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post #9 of 26 (permalink) Old 11-15-2011, 08:59 PM
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I am here because I want to save Orion. When son purchased and took to vet. The vet said Orion was probably one of the most Alpha dogs he had ever seen at his practice. Lawarenceville Ga. He told my son how to deal and to get a handle on him. Orion was prob 8 weeks. My son never followed thru. He doesn"t take well to a stern tone. He has never been beat or abused. You can see his mood change.
Other night he was in bed my husband touched him with his foot. Within a second dog had a foot on my husbands chest and was approx. 4 inches away from my husbands face in the red zone growling. He growled for about a minute or more. Neither of us moved. finally he got off bed was all stiff hair all up he is not allowed in any bedroom
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Orion is a very beautiful and very smart dog. He has been given no formal obedience training nor has he been trained to hunt. I feel he gets alot of exercise. I actually run him with my car a couple times a day approx. 3 miles. We have a Ga. pwr rite of way that I take him to he swims. We take him to a seldom used 9 hole golf course and let him run.
The real prob is he is a hunting dog that should be hunted 2 or 3 times a week not a house dog first.
son got him cause he was pretty not for practical purposes.
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