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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 02-20-2018, 08:37 PM
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Yes, Oliver came from the same breeder where Lexy was. The litter certificate shows the SIRE as Rebel Rouser Born Again and the DAM is Touchdown Guys Lil Izzy.
I can only find the dams OFA records, and know she came from CK kennels.
The sire is not in the data base, or it didn't show up. Have you talked to the breeder, about what happened?

Yes, a full vet check up is in order.
But unless you've seen other changes in him, they may not find anything medical.

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Should I have Oliver tested for Lyme disease?

One thing that has always bothered me is that Oliver sometimes looks cross-eyed when I hold a treat or toy close to his face. However, during his very first puppy exam, the veterinarian said that his eyes looked healthy and were positioned properly in their sockets.
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Good idea. I will email the breeder right now.
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Side note: We have been attending a basic obedience class with Oliver for the past 8 weeks. He has been doing well, although he is highly distracted by the other dogs. I felt like Oliver was bonding with me as his “trainer” and appeared to be maturing quite a bit. Things were going well until yesterday.
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The lyme test is 50-50. That's what got me in trouble. If you are going to have him checked : 1st find a GOOD LYME VET, on humans they are know as; lyme literat md (LLMD). 2nd go prepared. LLMD will treat on clinical with test as support.
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I am so sorry that you have had this bad experience with Oliver, and hope your sons hand is healing well. I agree that a vet check would be a good idea to rule out anything medical. It may not turn up anything, but good to definitively rule out any medical issues in getting to the bottom of what happened. I would strongly encourage you to consult with a trainer or behaviorist as suggested by Gabica, and I don't believe that this is a sign that there is something seriously wrong with Oliver. I have known of other vizslas and dogs that have snapped and growled at family members, and even bitten, when they have been sleeping or on the couch. This did not escalate to the level of the bite that your son suffered, but was enough to have the family members avoid the dog altogether when the dog was sleeping or on the couch. While this does not make Oliver's behavior acceptable and I do not condone what he did, I just wanted to provide some context that this can happen with some dogs and it doesn't automatically mean they are aggressive or bad dogs. They may just need some extra training, guidance and rules in this area.

I think you are right in your assessment that this is some form of resource guarding. This could even be resource guarding directed towards you. I have seen other dogs who resource guard their main caregiver. I note that you have been bonding with Oliver through recent obedience training and it could be that through this process he has become very strongly attached to you. Possibly when your son approached he mistakenly saw him as a threat to the bond between the two of you and growled to try and warn him off.

I am no expert and again would encourage you to speak to a dog trainer or behaviorist, but there were a couple of things that I wanted to suggest that may be of help. The first would be counter-conditioning. At the moment Oliver sees others approaching him on the couch as something negative that causes him to react in the way he did with your son. Given what has happened to your son he may not be up to helping with this, but if you had another willing family member, friend, dog lover etc. that could help you could basically work to change the response Oliver has to someone else approaching when he is on your lap on the couch. This would work by having the approaching person offer Oliver a high value treat. At first this would be done from a distance, but gradually as he gets more and more comfortable with someone approaching they could get closer. The idea is that over time he would start to anticipate the high value treat and see someone approaching as positive rather than reacting negatively.

Another thing you might want to try would be teaching Oliver an off command (or whatever command works for you and Oliver) so that you can ask him to get off the couch when he is growling or otherwise acting inappropriately. The hope being that he realizes that being on the couch is a privilege and he has to behave if he wants to enjoy this privilege.

I know that right now while the incident is still fresh it is hard to trust Oliver and you feel at a loss as to what happened or what to do, but I do hope you will be willing to give Oliver another chance. From what you have told me he is a great puppy in all other regards and I really think a trainer or behaviorist will be able to help overcome this problem so that you can regain trust in Oliver and continue to build on your already loving relationship.
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It sounds like you're not being alpha enough and he thinks he is the alpha...just something I've heard from trainers on dog shows. Some dogs need a firm alpha figure to shun those aggressive behaviors. Reminds me of the lady who had a pit that chewed off her arm recently when she tried to break up a fight her dog was involved it. I am sure she treated her dog like a baby...and that might've been the problem.

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It sounds like you're not being alpha enough and he thinks he is the alpha...just something I've heard from trainers on dog shows. Some dogs need a firm alpha figure to shun those aggressive behaviors. Reminds me of the lady who had a pit that chewed off her arm recently when she tried to break up a fight her dog was involved it. I am sure she treated her dog like a baby...and that might've been the problem.

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I wouldn't just assume that. In fact I try to assume very little, when I am not a part of a dogs daily life.
I've owned dogs that would never bite, even if held in the air by their toes.
Dogs that could be pushed to bite, if you were not someone that they were fully bonded with. And lastly dogs that could not be trusted, with anyone other than my husband, and I.
All the dogs started out with the same training methods. But you have to adjust to the dog you own, not the dog you owned in years past.
Yes, you can spoil a dog, and some will take it to extremes, if given the option. That does not mean it will lead to a bite with every dog.
I don't really think of us as alpha, even though we are clearly the boss. I want my dogs, to want to work for me. To be fair to them, and enjoy us working as a team.
To get that we have to be consistent in our training, and them have a clear understanding of the rules.
It can't be okay part of the time, and not others. This is just confusing to them.
While some dogs need more rules, and training in place to live with us. The training does not need to be harsh. If we lashout, the dog learns our actions can't be trusted. This in no way means, I am a treat only trainer. Just that there needs to be a balance in your training methods.

When it comes to dog bites, it's best worked out between the family, a behaviorist, and the breeder.

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That breeder is not a "free range" breeder. I have one of Touchdown Guy's sons.
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I am really happy that i found this forum. I have gotten lots of great coaching and advice from our breeder, and have read and researched a lot myself too, and having a live, supportive forum like this is extremely valuable. I have always known that people who are owned by vizslas tend to be keeping together and this is another great example. Howdy from Texas to everyone.
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