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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-15-2014, 09:44 AM Thread Starter
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New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

Hello everyone We brought our new lil girlie Amber home on Saturday, she's the most adorable pup, she's so much smaller than I thought she would be only 7 weeks old, she's doing well with the crate and toilet training considering she's only a baby, like others have said I have to carry her outside to go as she hates the cold

My question is about the crate training, we are determined to stick to it even if the crying in the night is terrible, she seems to like the crate but does cry after a while. The problem we have had which wasn't expected is the size of the crate.... i bought a 42" crate with a divider to use while she is a pup but she can get through the small gap on the side/bottom and ended up in the other side a few times, we didn't see her get through only felt confused to find her on the wrong side, we have decided to remove the divider in case she hurts herself/gets stuck but this is causing her to poop/wee in the crate. Has anyone else had these issues? I guess she'll grow quickly so we can put divider back when she's a bit bigger?

Any thoughts/tips would be greatly appreciated - perhaps she can't hold it for 3 hours yet

p.s. hopefully the crying in the night will ease off, i see why many people give up, we go to her at 3am and up at 6am - she cries for about 40-60mins
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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-15-2014, 11:10 AM
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Re: New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

Hi Jem

We have had our Ginger for a month now. It sure seems like there is no 'one size fits all' to the crate training... I feel a little guilty in saying this but Ginger cried for about 10 minutes the first night and ever since has been a model prisoner since... This is what we do:

1) We have the 42" crate in our bedroom (possible just hearing someone calms her down?)
1A) The first couple nights we made sure to not put her in until she was ZONKED to begin with...
2) We put a cardboard box in the back half of the crate and covered it with blankets in order to cut the size of the crate down... she also likes to get on top of the box sometimes so we just call it her upstairs and downstairs...
3) We put a blanket over the crate at all times as she seems to like this just fine and possibly cuts down on the distractions?
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4) NEVER open the crate if she is whining. Wait until that has stopped before letting her out...

Those are what I can think of... I am sure that Amber will adjust so just stay consistent and may your nights eventually be sleepful and uninterrupted
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Re: New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

Ha! Model prisoner... that's great.

Jem, kudos on the positive attitude during this most trying part of vizsla parenthood. Yes, I think 3 hours is a bit long for a pup so young, even though the oft-cited formula for amount of time in crate = 1 hour per age in months + 1.

As to the crate divider, it's hard for me to picture the gaps you're talking about... the divider that came with my crate hooked to the bars of the crate, so there was a slight gap (an inch or two) at the bottom, but none at the sides. I'd definitely suggest putting the divider back in though---as you've seen, a 42-inch crate provides plenty of room for a 7-week-old puppy to potty on one side, and sleep unaffected on the other. The point of dividing the crate is to provide enough room so that the dog can be comfortable (stand up, turn around, lay down), but not enough room that they can crap comfortably in the crate and retreat to the opposite corner to avoid the consequences of doing so. It's why crate training is such a valuable tool in house training---not wanting to potty in their confined space teaches the puppy to hold it. You could try lining the divider with cardboard from the box the crate came in (or anything else that might block the gaps until she's too big to fit though them).
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post #4 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-16-2014, 05:27 AM Thread Starter
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Re: New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

Thanks so much for your replies, it feels good not to be alone, thanks.

Ginger sounds like the perfect V killmodell, perhaps we will try the crate in our bedroom and maybe the cardboard box.

We put the divider back in last night with cardboard around it, great idea emily, it worked in the sense that it kept her on the correct side but oh my last night was soooo hard, she cried ALL night with gaps of silence for about 20mins in between, she also continues to poop all in crate even though she has been doing it outside it's like she gets herself into such a state that she poops.

Our last dog was a staffy, we had him for 15 years, perhaps its so long ago that i don't remember but i forgot how hard this was. My kids are 9 and 7 so they help out too but to say we are struggling is an understatement.

Any words of encouragement would be greatly welcomed guys, please tell me it gets easier.... i feel sorry for her as she just wants to cuddle in, my husband is talking about doing away with the crate but i think that will make things worse? - Help :/ x
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post #5 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-16-2014, 05:46 AM Thread Starter
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Re: New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

Here's some pics of the noisy, messy lil love xx
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Re: New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

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Re: New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

Welcome to the forums, Jem Hornby!! ;D Your little girl is a real heartbreaker... Just adorable!! ;D ;D ;D

Can't help you with the crate training, as I do not own a crate. I can see where they might be useful, but personally, I've just never seen the need...

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Re: New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

Our v Ruby did cry in her crate but patience proved the winner and now she loves her own time in her crate. We simply sat on the floor next to the crate in the evening until she fell asleep, and then ignored the cries.
The only 'issue' we had was the 3rd night. She was 8 weeks old. Ruby quickly learnt that if she stood on her back legs she could get her head through the gaps in the top of the crate. We thought this was cute until, 2.30am she appered at the bottom of our bed. I was shocked as I really though someone had got in our home and opened the crate. Once I got down stairs I was more confused as the crate was still locked. It took us a while to figure out Ruby had stood on her back legs and got her head out of the crate, then used the side of the crate to climb up, out and on top of the crate. She then jumped from the top of the crate to the floor (3ft height) and then scaled the stairs for the very first time to find our bedroom (she had yet to be shown upstairs). I was stunned she managed to do this in the pitch black and without injuring herself. Initialy it really freaked us out trying to understand how she escaped, and the above is the only possible answer (i hope!). We laugh about it now, but typing this it does remind me how scary it was! and how lucky Ruby was not to hurt herself. The next morning her new nickname was 'Schofield' named after the character from Prison Break. I gues being intelligent dogs, V's can put their mind to anything...
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Re: New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

Stick.With.It.

I know it's awful in the beginning! Be glad she's only crying. Dexter barked bloody murder for weeks and it sounded like we had a pack of wolves in our house at night. It does get better!! Chances are you will need to crate her during the day at some point anyways, and she will still need to be crate trained for that.

With both our pups, we got a small wire crate as well. That way it was easier to move them around the house and try out different things. I didn't like having to try and lug a giant crate into our bedroom, into the guest room, etc. multiple times a day. Dexter was so loud that it also allowed us to put him in a (well ventilated!) closet at night to muffle some of the noise. I also liked Dexter to have access to his crate while we were home so we could toss treats in it for him to find but we knew we didn't want him having free run of our bedroom.

My best suggestion would just be to try out some different things. Dexter hated being crated in our room (he doesn't like to see us and not be able to get to us) but Birch did fantastic crating next to our bed (which a lot of people swear by). Every dog is different!

Try sitting next to the crate (silently) and see if they will settle while you are still nearby. Try putting a littermate sized stuffed animal in the crate (maybe warm it up a bit in the dryer first too). Try putting a dirty t-shirt that smells like you in the crate. Try covering the crate. See what seems to help and what doesn't and go from there. NEVER let out a crying pup. Wait until the 2 seconds they stop to let them out.

Also, can you pinpoint what time she seems to potty in her crate and try to preempt it? So if you know she goes between say, 2 and 3 in the morning, set an alarm and take her out for a potty break at 1:30 instead. Both our pups were able to hold their potty for 3 hours at a time. It might just be that she's upset she's alone in there.

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post #10 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-16-2014, 12:02 PM
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Re: New Vizsla puppy, crate training etc

Also, is she just crying for an hour AFTER you crate her? If that's the case, let her cry it out. But if she wakes up in the middle of the night and starts crying, it probably means she needs a potty break.
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