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post #11 of 15 (permalink) Old 06-16-2017, 01:41 PM
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Ken,

Ty's enthusiasm reminds me a lot of my dog. When you are woahing him do you tap the e-collar each time or only when he moves after the woah command?

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post #12 of 15 (permalink) Old 06-17-2017, 12:03 AM Thread Starter
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The e-collar was a late phase of training with him. We spent a great deal of time with him on check cord and in his instance a pinch collar due to his power and drive I simply couldn't hold him in a flat collar. And that was without distraction of a bird or dummy, just stopping to pressure and cue. We added distractions of bumpers and birds using the same. Then when he knew the cue and command we overlaid the e-collar cue to stop and stand in the same order. Only when he moves on tossing the dummy or flight of bird do we reinforce with the e-collar cue to stop. It's very important to not use the e-collar on a dog that is creeping, it can manifest in many negative ways. Upon flight (bird or dummy), or without birds in the picture at all. Hope that makes sense.
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post #13 of 15 (permalink) Old 06-17-2017, 01:32 AM
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Makes sense. What do you do to thwart the creeping or from busting when birds are in the picture when the dog knows woah and to woah around birds?

I'm at that point with my dog where he is essentially broke on wild birds but in trials/tests/training with pigeons or pen raised birds he will break point.

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post #14 of 15 (permalink) Old 06-17-2017, 09:05 AM Thread Starter
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We would likely use launchers. As soon as the dog moves, the bird flushes. When the bird flushes you can get your correction. It gets tough when dogs are "trial wise" and then we look for fun day events or mock tests to help simulate all the excitement and hubub of an event where we can use training aids and training is not only allowed but encouraged.

The other thought is you back all the way up to standing with the dog, a check cord loop and work on proofing with walking birds. A tied wing or a tethered bird. The really important thing here is to get in a light correction with restraint and look for the point where you see the dog wants to break, but then he demonstrates self-restraint - catches himself. At that moment, before they have the opportunity to go again, give a reward/praise and stop. The biggest problem when doing this type of training is to not mark the behavior we seek. We humans tend to push again and again waiting for the break in order to correct. Try to work just below the threshold. Start with the bird some distance away, then gradually closer. Mix it up so it's not the same session over and over. Change grounds often. Also give a good run between birds and have some sessions where there are no birds - I find it helps a lot for the dogs to de-stress.

Hope that helps.
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post #15 of 15 (permalink) Old 06-17-2017, 03:23 PM
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Thanks Ken. This is very hepful
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